tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post1884018561579202884..comments2024-03-28T11:33:16.271-05:00Comments on Adventus: Believin' what you know ain't so....Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-15649748197403693702012-05-05T17:30:14.225-05:002012-05-05T17:30:14.225-05:00Windhorse, Mimi:
This reminds me of a book title ...Windhorse, Mimi:<br /><br />This reminds me of a book title I saw once: "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!"<br /><br />Always seemed to be very good advice to me....Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-66639878053688623022012-05-05T13:40:27.905-05:002012-05-05T13:40:27.905-05:00Thank you, Grandmère Mimi, I'm grateful to hav...Thank you, Grandmère Mimi, I'm grateful to have the opportunity for discussion.Windhorsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-89173383562650284622012-05-05T13:20:19.954-05:002012-05-05T13:20:19.954-05:00Excellent, Windhorse. Thanks for the quote.Excellent, Windhorse. Thanks for the quote.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-64985738049155131602012-05-05T13:14:33.885-05:002012-05-05T13:14:33.885-05:00Just stumbled upon this quote and thought it ampli...Just stumbled upon this quote and thought it amplified our discussion. Joseph Campbell says: "Meister Eckhart says, 'The ultimate leave-taking is the leaving of god for God.' That is to say, the folk-god for God, that is to say, the elementary idea. Break through that veil of conditioning and you get to the elementary idea...Our highest god is our highest obstruction. It represents the consummation of the highest thoughts and feelings you can have. Go past that...."Windhorsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-66950384819646138172012-05-01T18:03:59.654-05:002012-05-01T18:03:59.654-05:00Mea culpa. I'm ashamed of myself. How soon w...<i>Mea culpa.</i> I'm ashamed of myself. How soon we forget. I once believed in a god similar to Teresa's. Once I stopped believing in that god, I did not become an atheist. I never stopped believing in God, but I reconsidered my concept of God.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-81329795651139740762012-05-01T14:22:42.799-05:002012-05-01T14:22:42.799-05:00Mimi--I feel for Ms. MacBain, but Anthony is right...Mimi--I feel for Ms. MacBain, but Anthony is right: you've got to give up all of the constructed idols before you can believe in God.<br /><br />Windhorse: Exactly. As I say, what seminary did she attend, and how poor a job of education did they do? I knew several Methodist ministers in my seminary, and if that education didn't make you an atheist, you at least knew better than to rely on a "Sunday school" God as your reason to be in ministry.<br /><br />Ministry is hard enough without trying to do it in the name of a false idol.Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-33689739430881835502012-05-01T12:22:07.918-05:002012-05-01T12:22:07.918-05:00Oh God! How many times must I say it? I don'...Oh God! How many times must I say it? I don't believe in the god that Teresa doesn't believe in either. Lord 'a' mercy!<br /><br /><i>Good grief! Can't we teach people to think? Especially about something as important as this?</i><br /><br />Indeed! Makes you want to bang your head against the keyboard, doesn't it?<br /><br />Her coming out as an atheist sounds right out of an AA meeting. Is she a recovering believer? Will she need to attend support group meetings to retain her atheism, lest she lapse back into belief?<br /><br />I don't mean to mock AA, because the program has helped many to attain and retain sobriety. I believe it is Teresa who mocks AA with the copycat coming out from her cramped view of God. How sad that the two extremes are all she knows. What a sheltered life she's led.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-42649700594670535502012-05-01T12:15:38.734-05:002012-05-01T12:15:38.734-05:00Ms. MacBain would probably have benefited from spe...Ms. MacBain would probably have benefited from spending some time with the works of Paul Tillich to remedy the subject-object idea of relationship with God she was laboring under followed by Martin Buber for some instruction in the "I-Thou" relationship and an immersion in Rumi to rediscover the promise of joy in relationship to the Divine. <br /><br />If only someone had been there to suggest to her that maybe what she was losing faith in was what Tillich called theological theism, a kind of tyranny of intellectual idols in which both humans and God are ultimately reduced to objects which are subject to cruel and capricious laws. As is hinted in the James' quote, this kind of belief system cannot survive scrutiny and leads predictably, according to Tillich, to atheism.Windhorsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-27035071255306472242012-05-01T09:06:30.496-05:002012-05-01T09:06:30.496-05:00I've noticed NPR is going big on pushing athei...I've noticed NPR is going big on pushing atheism, though this morning it was called "Humanism". That can either mean that the new atheism has seeped into the middle-brow lexicon of mandatory ideas or it can mean the fad is spent, now that it has been adopted by white males in their late middle age. I've noted that lately Lawrence O'Donnell has been pushing the absurd idea that atheists are some kind of put upon minority group when they've, actually, had federal civil rights protection since 1965. <br /><br />I suspect for this story it's more a change of career choice than anything else, given the apparent trajectory of Ms. Macbain's conversion. I expect books, celebrity appearances at atheist events, etc. The flip side of how some have made out by going from being an atheist to being a religious fundamentalist of the kind that does that kind of shtick. <br /><br />You got it, you've got to give up all of the constructed idols before you can believe in God.The Thought Criminalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01381376556757084468noreply@blogger.com