tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post3265257104534938272..comments2024-03-27T14:45:28.176-05:00Comments on Adventus: "Separate the wheat...from the chaff...'cause I feel...that I owe....to someone!"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-73454078204499184862015-07-17T09:30:11.293-05:002015-07-17T09:30:11.293-05:00As for the desserts in the desert, there's a l...As for the desserts in the desert, there's a lovely story that after the 40 days and Satan leaving unhappy, the angels brought soup from Mary's home to Jesus.<br /><br />Maybe some creme brûlée was included for dessert.....Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-77555215824600808882015-07-17T09:28:49.004-05:002015-07-17T09:28:49.004-05:00My only problem with Origen (and it's a small ...My only problem with Origen (and it's a small one) is that I learned in seminary the Hebrew Scriptures were not a prelude (or allegory as prelude) the New Testament.<br /><br />But I'm not going to argue against any reading that sees the former as consonant with the latter.Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-83804762725623624102015-07-17T07:54:28.633-05:002015-07-17T07:54:28.633-05:00Rmj, now I'm wondering why you linked to a pos...Rmj, now I'm wondering why you linked to a post that you hardly read. It doesn't seem fair to send your readers over there to suffer what you had not suffered.<br /><br />True. Mea culpa. I've started thinking of links as footnotes, a way of affirming my reference. But they still function as dragging the whole article in as a footnote or even a supplement to the main discussion, and I really didn't mean that this time.Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-37750983912609073912015-07-17T00:09:08.950-05:002015-07-17T00:09:08.950-05:00It was actually the miracle of loaves and fishes a...It was actually the miracle of loaves and fishes and creme brulee. True story.ntoddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01068160577299501895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-78906948819029059182015-07-16T23:07:06.648-05:002015-07-16T23:07:06.648-05:00"The fire and brimstone is mostly either the ...<br />"The fire and brimstone is mostly either the Flood myth or the settlement stories."<br /><br />I don't even think it's the main point there.<br /><br />If I may be allowed to quote myself, re Noah:<br /><br /><br />"Because it is an important point, and properly belongs here at the beginning of the great story of humanity. What to do about human evil? Our first impulse is always to kill it. Just kill the bad people, the troublesome people. How many revolutions and movements, even in the last century, rested on just such a terrible cutting of the Gordian knot? Kill the bad, leave the good, and the earth will be paradise again.<br /><br />"So that's what God, in the story, does. But that's what God, by the end of the story, promises never to do again. Or, for us skeptical moderns, what he never did, and never will do. Because, in a real sense, that's the whole point of the biblical project. For Jews, the story of Noah, in rejecting any wholesale killing of the wicked, sets the stage for the Abrahamic covenant, for the Mosaic law, for the ethical demands of the prophets. For Christians, the story of Noah similarly rejects the darkest solution, and, incorporating the law and the prophets, sets out an alternative scheme, not to kill, but to redeem the wicked. In both cases the point is not to purify the earth by the death of the wicked, but to redeem the wicked themselves, to save both the world and human beings from human evil."<br /><br />For the settlement stories, see Origen's reading, which I think was predominant until the modern era. He didn't question their historicity, that that was really beside the point. They are allegories prefiguring the work of the incarnate son.rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-7650796337934754312015-07-16T22:42:28.775-05:002015-07-16T22:42:28.775-05:00Rmj, now I'm wondering why you linked to a pos...Rmj, now I'm wondering why you linked to a post that you hardly read. It doesn't seem fair to send your readers over there to suffer what you had not suffered.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-8427851918810294472015-07-16T22:40:10.747-05:002015-07-16T22:40:10.747-05:00And all this time I thought Jesus was fasting in t...And all this time I thought Jesus was fasting in the desert, and he was eating desserts? Say it isn't so!June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-22603724886314731272015-07-16T22:10:24.756-05:002015-07-16T22:10:24.756-05:00Jesus doesn't look Jewish. But he did like hi...Jesus doesn't look Jewish. But he did like his desserts in the deserts, I hear.ntoddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01068160577299501895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-19563111507609348782015-07-16T22:03:27.088-05:002015-07-16T22:03:27.088-05:00I hardly read that one. Picked up yet another ref...I hardly read that one. Picked up yet another reference to Paine and left the rest. Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11265837684238199954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-45781849936717065362015-07-16T21:59:37.845-05:002015-07-16T21:59:37.845-05:00Rmj, just curious, but why would you bother to rea...Rmj, just curious, but why would you bother to read Jeffrey Tayler's long rant? I took a look, and, after reading the first paragraph and skimming a few more, I quit. Someone would have to pay me big money to read that load of crap.<br /><br />It's always a good thing to keep in mind that Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew, and his teachings were right out of the Hebrew scriptures. I like what you say in your admittedly long post about God's wrath or lack thereof and consequences, or getting our just deserts.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-82673939551680535032015-07-16T19:16:16.420-05:002015-07-16T19:16:16.420-05:00Thanks for the clarification. No disrespect meant....Thanks for the clarification. No disrespect meant. <br /><br />But next time, more pictures. Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11265837684238199954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-75785662862097425862015-07-16T19:13:17.069-05:002015-07-16T19:13:17.069-05:00I do not argue that there isn't a straight lin...I do not argue that there isn't a straight line from Old and New. Simply that certain quarters like to bring up a couple older stories that they misread and misrepresent as though that were the Whole of the Law (as opposed to Hillel's admonition).<br /><br />And yes, it was way to goddamned long. I still read parts of it--coulda used more pictures.ntoddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01068160577299501895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-41690791161706299702015-07-16T18:55:17.351-05:002015-07-16T18:55:17.351-05:00And we would have also accepted: "tl;dr"...And we would have also accepted: "tl;dr"<br /><br />:-) Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11265837684238199954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-90065708532713490062015-07-16T18:51:30.402-05:002015-07-16T18:51:30.402-05:00The love of Jesus draws directly from the Hebrew s...The love of Jesus draws directly from the Hebrew scriptures. They are of a piece, not two divergent paths. The fire and brimstone is mostly either the Flood myth or the settlement stories. Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11265837684238199954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-75635525221388707152015-07-16T18:15:57.816-05:002015-07-16T18:15:57.816-05:00But seriously, I still see people talk about vario...But seriously, I still see people talk about various examples of (OT) destruction in the Bible as proof of the fire and brimstone genre. Invariably cherry picked at the expense of the predominant love presented by Jesus...ntoddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01068160577299501895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-59005517318107547292015-07-16T18:14:45.979-05:002015-07-16T18:14:45.979-05:00"Get a haircut, hippie."
- Delilah"Get a haircut, hippie."<br /><br /> - Delilahntoddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01068160577299501895noreply@blogger.com