tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post3342034652708459508..comments2024-03-27T14:45:28.176-05:00Comments on Adventus: Welcome to the long, strange trip it's been....Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-3184802676441896762014-07-16T15:58:11.860-05:002014-07-16T15:58:11.860-05:00I've only been reading this blog for about a m...<i>I've only been reading this blog for about a month, but it is not at all clear that either of the contributors share my concern for the march of the christian reconstruction movement into our national politics, to say nothing of the real harm that the gleefully inflict upon the most vulnerable members of society, the 'least of these my brethren', when they control state legislatures. This is where the reflexive, and at times undeserved, anger against christianity comes from.</i><br /><br />I should add, considering there are more than two topics here, that I don't like what is being done in the name of Xianity today, any more than I liked it growing up in the Southern Baptist bastion of the East Texas town I hale from.<br /><br />And I have as much power to change things then, as I do now.<br /><br />One thing I have learned is that being belligerent, or even writing critically about what I don't like, doesn't change what I don't like. It changes me, which brings us back to that line from "Philomena" I mentioned earlier.<br /><br />And I don't see a lot "Christian" or even "reconstruction" about what's going on. Nothing has really changed since the '60's, which is when I started paying attention, or since the turn of the century, so far as my knowledge of history goes.<br /><br />Most of the "Christian in public" stuff, though, started after WWII, mostly with the "2nd Great Awakening" of the '50's, the "Man Called Peter" era, when everyone went to church on Sunday morning (preferably a Protestant one) in white gloves and suits and ties and dresses for the ladies.<br /><br />I still remember the uproar when a woman in my childhood church wore a "pantsuit" to church. My mother was furious. So no, I don't exaggerate about the dresses.<br /><br />Church has always reflected the cultural status quo, which is why people are in church, by and large. They go to be cosseted, not assaulted. And as the wave of social change that started (in churches, anyway) with the German Biblical scholars of the 19th century has crested in the '60's with the hippies/free love movement, churches have become more visibly risible and reactionary (MLK using the black churches for Civil Rights had a LOT to do with that, too).<br /><br />American culture has been a reaction to the '60's (and the Beatniks of the '50's, and FDR in the '30's, and the War in the '40's, etc.) since Reagan was elected.<br /><br />I don't think any church is the root of that evil, or the progenitor of it; just more the servant, than anything else.<br /><br />But even pointing that out every day on this blog would be like going down to the sea and commanding the tide to stop coming in.<br /><br />There are better ways to use my time.....Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-51494991427414511232014-07-16T15:09:14.931-05:002014-07-16T15:09:14.931-05:00Well, to begin with, I'm no more responsible f...Well, to begin with, I'm no more responsible for Dobson or Fischer than they are for me.<br /><br />No more than, as a white male, I'm responsible for white racists like Cliven Bundy, or homophobes in general,etc., etc., etc. They don't speak for me, I don't speak for them, and nobody appointed me the Rapid Response Team to Fischer (who I never hear about except through internet articles) or Dobson (ditto).<br /><br />If I were responsible for every Christian I disagreed with who made a public statement, it would be a terrible cross to bear. As Judi Dench's character says at the end of "Philomena," I wouldn't want to be that angry, it would be a terrible way to live.<br /><br />Now, why Fischer and Dobson, et al., get all the attention when the UCC doesn't (just to pick a counter example at the other extreme) is simply a matter of $$$$. The UCC doesn't have any, and Dobson and Fischer do. You never fail to understand the American Media if you remember Deep Throat's advice to Woodward: "Follow the money."<br /><br />American media invariably does.<br /><br />Which I suppose is my fault too, somehow.<br /><br />As for the internet being full of bathroom graffiti, yeah, I'm aware of that, too. I prefer conversations.<br /><br />What do you prefer?Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-17483165415092855392014-07-16T11:52:28.350-05:002014-07-16T11:52:28.350-05:00Are you really confused about what happened? First...Are you really confused about what happened? First, it's the internet. Some people try to have actual conversations, and some people treat it like restroom graffiti. Second, are you really not aware that Bryan Fischer and James Dobson are the brand managers for your faith? "Judgmental, homophobic, hypocritical, and too political" are the words young Americans use to describe religion. You may not like this, but what are the so called moderates doing about it? Not a damn thing, it seems. The leadership in these 'moderate' denominations either lacks the courage to take a stand for what is right, or they secretly agree with the Fox agenda and are content to let others do the dirty work. I'm not sure which is worse, and I don't care. That's why I left. And I count people of faith as my allies, when they are. Fran, aka BlueGal, and Fred Clark at Slacktivist are solidly feminist, pro social justice liberals. And I would throat punch any of my fellow atheists who was rude to them. I've only been reading this blog for about a month, but it is not at all clear that either of the contributors share my concern for the march of the christian reconstruction movement into our national politics, to say nothing of the real harm that the gleefully inflict upon the most vulnerable members of society, the 'least of these my brethren', when they control state legislatures. This is where the reflexive, and at times undeserved, anger against christianity comes from.Lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429309964648275918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-58056447101148878392014-07-15T20:46:53.227-05:002014-07-15T20:46:53.227-05:00Saw the article. Amazed to see what's publish...Saw the article. Amazed to see what's published these days. Elementary error upon error. Rolled eyes, started to try to think what astonishingly erudite comment could bring the world to it's senses. Came to my senses.<br /><br />Thanks, anyway, for trying.rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-91826172082756198242014-07-15T17:50:05.441-05:002014-07-15T17:50:05.441-05:00I left the comment, then left the house. There we...I left the comment, then left the house. There were over 200 comments when I came back, so I figured mine had been ignored long ago; but I was curious.<br /><br />And rather stunned at the reaction. I mean, really.....Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-2529321598474424342014-07-15T17:27:37.855-05:002014-07-15T17:27:37.855-05:00There are days I think it would be a good idea to ...There are days I think it would be a good idea to spend about a month off line so I can remember what it was like to only hear people who can think for a while. <br /><br />Then I listen to the radio or read the paper and figure I'd better keep trying. Salon is a dolt magnet but if you really want to see stupid of that flavor, Alternet is worse. The Thought Criminalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01381376556757084468noreply@blogger.com