tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post4159710036342438138..comments2024-03-27T14:45:28.176-05:00Comments on Adventus: Misheard ScholarshipUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-43182304001480347712014-09-04T06:29:01.885-05:002014-09-04T06:29:01.885-05:00To me the basic meaning of the Eucharist is that t...To me the basic meaning of the Eucharist is that the act of sharing food and drink, the basis of continuing life, the satiation of hunger, providing other people what God provides us, participating in the equalization of the distributions of the common wealth is the body and blood of Christ, of us being able to directly share in the spirit of God. I believe that, literally, though I doubt it is all there is to it. <br /><br />I associate it closely with "that which you do to the least among you, you do to me" "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," and other sayings. The Thought Criminalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01381376556757084468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-66639231247611412342014-09-03T14:44:44.029-05:002014-09-03T14:44:44.029-05:00Yes. The poem and the words from the GEC leave wi...Yes. The poem and the words from the GEC leave wiggle room for a wide circle of the faithful.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-22003982483724802072014-09-03T14:17:10.277-05:002014-09-03T14:17:10.277-05:00I also like the words of the German Evangelical Ch...I also like the words of the German Evangelical Church: "May it be unto you according to your faith. "Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-61270626337067667022014-09-03T13:45:25.818-05:002014-09-03T13:45:25.818-05:00What do the words mean? Wars have been fought, an...What do the words mean? Wars have been fought, and people have been killed over the meaning of the words. I'll settle for the little poem attributed to Elizabeth I and/or John Donne.<br /><br />Christ was the word that spake it.<br />He took the bread and break it;<br />And what his words did make it<br />That I believe and take it.<br /> <br />I've done some, though not exhaustive, reading of Spong, Crossan, and Borg, which would have been sufficient to jolt me out of the faith if I was rooted in literalism. Also, in an adult class in my church, we viewed and discussed the splendid video series <i>Living the Questions</i>.<br /><br />To me, an analogy would be that my faith would crumble at the news that the Shroud of Turin is not authentic. <br /><br />And don't even try to reason with the likes of the atheists at Alternet, because they don't listen. They're as fundamentalist as the worst of the Christian fundamentalists. June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-78861435626389941002014-09-03T11:53:57.203-05:002014-09-03T11:53:57.203-05:00The Jesus Seminar's (now largely forgotten) bl...The Jesus Seminar's (now largely forgotten) black, gray, pink, and red decisions on the "true" words of Jesus were based, in part, on uniqueness. The less the words could be found in other sources prior to the gospels, the more likely they were to be authentic.<br /><br />The eucharistic formula is, apparently, unique. Which raises the more interesting question: what does it mean? We have given it meaning over the centuries (it split the Protestants among themselves as much as the interpretation distinguished Protestants from Catholics), but how was it understood at the time, and in the 1st century?<br /><br />If you look at it plainly, without considering doctrines of transubstantiation or symbolism, it is very peculiar language, indeed. Pregnant with meaning, no doubt; but the meaning is not something connected to anything that came before it.Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-3182771614824301252014-09-03T10:35:42.824-05:002014-09-03T10:35:42.824-05:00Interesting about the words of eucharistic liturgy...Interesting about the words of eucharistic liturgy. My sense is that the writers would not have made up something like that.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-77914704581363450952014-09-03T10:29:19.471-05:002014-09-03T10:29:19.471-05:00126 comments on the Facebook post as of now, thoug...126 comments on the Facebook post as of now, though I'm out. The atheist who linked to the article in Salon said he's listened to several of Ehrman's lectures, but I guess he missed the part about Jesus' existence. He was brought up in the Roman Catholic Church, as I was, and he oozes the bitterness of certain ex-Catholics, which is rather familiar and understandable to me, though I don't share it.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.com