tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post1796493868566265968..comments2024-03-27T14:45:28.176-05:00Comments on Adventus: Like punching somebody in the nose....Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-20212800322526619492012-11-30T15:40:13.151-06:002012-11-30T15:40:13.151-06:00In re Sherri's point at 4:39 PM (yesterday?): ...In re Sherri's point at 4:39 PM (yesterday?): I guess underlying posts like these is the whole issue of "who is a Christian?". What defines someone as being Christian: they belong to a Church? they profess belief that Jesus is the Messiah? they profess belief in the Trinity? they are baptized? They actually follow Jesus' injunctions as to what one must do to join him?<br /><br />It's kind of foreign to me because Judaism is defined tribally. However, we can still have a long debate as to who belongs to the tribe: anyone with a Jewish mother? what about with a Jewish father? people converted according to Halacha developed in a specific context that doesn't apply anymore? anyone professing our creed and joining our people via the rite of 'baptism'? Of course, this debate was all academic until (1) anti-Semitism let up to the point where could convert to Judaism without fear for their lives and (2) the rebirth of the state of Israel made Jewish peoplehood into something more than just a theoretical construct but rather means that any Jew is a potential citizen of Israel who could affect the political balance in that country.<br /><br />Thus the question of who is a Jew really begins to matter as soon as it becomes a question of power (because Jews are no longer powerless but rather we have our own country). I guess the question of who is a Christian becomes important for the same reason: because the power of definition is a great power indeed.alberichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852752646926946626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-64504069067779212322012-11-29T20:40:31.222-06:002012-11-29T20:40:31.222-06:00"Tax envy" That's gonna leave a mark..."Tax envy" That's gonna leave a mark.Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-73538898907899100682012-11-29T20:29:09.924-06:002012-11-29T20:29:09.924-06:00"Well, I'd like to reclaim "Christia..."Well, I'd like to reclaim "Christianity" from him, too. Because publicly, he's pretty much a dick."<br /><br />[searching vainly for the Like button]<br /><br />"Warren misused Scripture to such an extent that I was appalled, and I'm no Bible scholar. The point of view seemed smug, know-it-all, and sanctimonious."<br /><br />Whited sepulchres...full of dead men's bones. And tax envy. <br />Windhorsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-28784848451938836382012-11-29T19:03:04.591-06:002012-11-29T19:03:04.591-06:00"Persons""Persons"June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-54218728558687058792012-11-29T19:01:53.926-06:002012-11-29T19:01:53.926-06:00Because of "pastors" like Warren, a good...Because of "pastors" like Warren, a good many LGTB peersons dismiss Christianity out of hand, because they think we're all like him. And that's not to mention the bad name we share with the Roman Catholic hierarchy.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-70746588235978140212012-11-29T18:44:36.589-06:002012-11-29T18:44:36.589-06:00I don't know, I find it easier to ignore Warre...I don't know, I find it easier to ignore Warren, maybe because I did grow up among people like Mohler and Land. They remind me of being stuck in a place where things didn't make sense.Sherrinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-64874664401290126812012-11-29T17:15:30.201-06:002012-11-29T17:15:30.201-06:00Years ago, a friend gave me Warren's A Purpose...Years ago, a friend gave me Warren's <i>A Purpose-Driven Life</i> to read. I managed to get half-way through before I put it down in disgust. First off, I didn't like the title. "Driven"? Smacked too much of someone else driving my purpose in life. Warren misused Scripture to such an extent that I was appalled, and I'm no Bible scholar. The point of view seemed smug, know-it-all, and sanctimonious. In short, I hated it, and I've never thought Warren worthy of my attention since. When Obama invited him to give the invocation at his inauguration, I was deeply disappointed. <br /><br />Whether I pay attention to Warren, or not, he's still there in all his my kingdom-IS-of-this-world glory and remains a force and an embarrassment. June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-24518168839382560352012-11-29T17:06:20.354-06:002012-11-29T17:06:20.354-06:00I'm sure Warren doesn't consider me a Chri...I'm sure Warren doesn't consider me a Christian, either.<br /><br />Doesn't mean he isn't a dick. Mohler and Land & Co. are at least consistent and up-front about what they really think. Warren wants to hide from it, so it won't ruin his book sales. He wants to be the public Christian who's not <i>too</i> Christian.<br /><br />I grew up among people like Land and Mohler; I discard them. But Warren is unctuous. He annoys me.<br /><br />I suppose I should learn to live with that.....Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-5955730304148270352012-11-29T16:39:47.126-06:002012-11-29T16:39:47.126-06:00So was Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson, and Albert...So was Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson, and Albert Mohler, and Richard Land, and a whole host of other people who decided to use Christianity as a tool to achieve political power.<br /><br />Most of those people don't even want to acknowledge me as a full-fledged Christian. I'm a woman and a liberal and belong to a church that has both gay and female bishops. Sherrinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-62147099132447343432012-11-29T14:34:43.125-06:002012-11-29T14:34:43.125-06:00Well, I'd like to reclaim "Christianity&q...Well, I'd like to reclaim "Christianity" from him, too.<br /><br />Because publicly, he's pretty much a dick.Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-65837961207441819332012-11-29T11:54:28.264-06:002012-11-29T11:54:28.264-06:00Rick Warren has shown us what he is, over and over...Rick Warren has shown us what he is, over and over again; why are you expecting him to be other than what he is? <br /><br />It's unfortunate that he's one of the public faces of a word you'd like to reclaim, but it's probably too late, and he's hardly the only one or the first one. Sherrinoreply@blogger.com