tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post3343081665536041535..comments2024-03-27T14:45:28.176-05:00Comments on Adventus: "I dreamt music...."Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-31546812727407643142016-03-12T09:09:11.666-06:002016-03-12T09:09:11.666-06:00This is the problem of thinking the defining disci...This is the problem of thinking the defining discipline is science, and all other disciplines must speak in its vocabulary.<br /><br />The idea, though, is that our instruments of science tell us the brain "hears" absolute pitches, or at least remembers them, but can discern variations on a theme (as the musicians say). Which means, of course, we don't hear in "absolute pitches." But we do, the machines say so!<br /><br />The problem is in the interpretation of the data, one more reason interpretation is a major topic of discussion among modern philosophers.<br /><br />I've no doubt you are right about music, IOW, and the scientists are creating a paradox for themselves because they don't know how to interpret the data they have, and they don't know how to acquire more accurate data. Which makes the problem of AI even more profound.<br /><br />We don't even know what that "real world" is, and we're going to replicate as complex a portion of it as the human mind?Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9479398.post-3892942379949414452016-03-12T03:09:14.300-06:002016-03-12T03:09:14.300-06:00If the brain "processes music" using &qu...If the brain "processes music" using "absolute pitches" then huge swaths of musical experience would not be as it is. I suspect the "studies" showing that are bogus or flawed or based in a misunderstanding of what tuning and intonation in actual music is. The idea of "absolute pitches" are largely irrelevant to music as it is, being "in tune" is not a matter of absolute pitches, it is a matter of making sounds within a range of acceptable approximations. At times, on instruments that can do it or voices using pitches that are "wrong" can create musical effects that are quite meaningful to the mind which is definitely not the brain. If the organ sitting in our heads and necks can be made to light up or something by "absolute pitches" isn't much more significant to the experience than the idea that the understanding of literature resides in the raw perceptions of different letters on a page. <br /><br />I think I recently said something about the current crisis in psychology and the such not showing up at NPR until a lot of people have retired or died or something. I'm glad I missed that story, it's the kind of thing they regularly have on that makes me think of smashing the radio. The Thought Criminalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01381376556757084468noreply@blogger.com