Thursday, June 15, 2023

You Can't Fix Stupid

Yeah, the problem is the "low IQ” voters watching MSNBC.

Sarah Longwell:

I was actually struck mainly by how much they sound like every other focus group I do with two-time Trump voters. They were very clear that the indictments actually made them want to support Trump more, which is really consistent.

I mean, we have been asking people for several months, how are you — how does it make you feel when you hear that Trump's indicted? Does it make you want to support him more, support him less? Out of the 58 people that we have asked, 26 of them said it makes them want to support Donald Trump more. Only two said less.

They're a little bit mixed on whether Trump is exactly the right person to be the person who comes back, but, still, after January 6, after the indictments, after everything, still a lot of support for Donald Trump.

How many of you distrust the FBI?

Matt Thompson:

The three-letter agencies, the DOJ, the CIA, the FBI, I think when the country was formulated, the best of intent was to put some of these organizations or governing bodies in place. But how they're being manipulated now and they're being weaponized is the bigger concern.

Of those three agencies, one dates to the 1870's; the other two are products of the 20th century (the CIA is post-WWII), and the CIA has no law enforcement capability or responsibility, at all.  But it is a rabid conspiracy point from the '60's, thanks to MK ULTRA and what the Church Committee revealed, so....🤷🏻‍♂️

And no, defending the CIA against stupid conspiracy theories is not the same as "defending the CIA."

Keven Arrowsmith, Republican Voter:

I'm kind of frustrated by it, because, on one side, it seems like were all going all out on President Trump. And, on the other side, the wheels of justice are going very slow, doesn't seem to be like equal amount of resources being devoted to looking into Hunter Biden's laptop.

"HUNTER BIDEN'S LAPTOP!" DRINK!

Peter Crabbs, Republican Voter:

And what about Hillary Clinton?

(CROSSTALK)

Peter Crabbs:

I mean, Hillary Clinton had all this stuff, and she was never indicted.

Can you identify the "stuff"? Is the "stuff" in the room with you right now?  Can you show me on the doll where the "stuff" touched you?

Brent Bean, Republican Voter:

You have got the DOJ, you have got the FBI reporting up to Biden. Ultimately, this goes up to Biden.

So why wouldn't you want to take out your toughest political opponent? And this is election interference like we have never seen before, and its disguised as, Trump's a bad guy.

"Election interference" because Trump announced his candidacy already?  Or because Trump said so?  Please identify the law/DOJ regulation which governs this concept of "election interference.  Show your work.

Sarah Longwell:

How many of you wanted Hillary Clinton to be indicted for her — OK. Did you think she should go to jail?

Woman:

Yes.

Sarah Longwell:

She did?

Woman:

Absolutely.

Woman:

Yes.

Sarah Longwell:

Because Trump at the time said that she should go to jail for mishandling classified information.

Man:

Yes.
Well, no need for a legal system then, eh?  If Trump says "yea" or "nay," that's all we need?  He's innocent, and who he blames is guilty?  Sure easier than having courts and investigators, huh?

Sarah Longwell:

Do you think he should be held to the same standard that he was setting for Hillary Clinton, or do you think that it's different for some reason?

Nola Ryan, Republican Voter:

I think he said that. When you understand his personality and how he words things, he said that in jest. He didn't — I think he's just trying to paint a word picture. But should she have gotten some sort of punishment? Yes. Yes, I think so.
Hey, you can't take him seriously!  Except he was serious, and Hilary should have been punished for...something.  I dunno; whatever Trump said.  Even though he was kidding.  Ya know?

Matt Thompson:

He's entitled to declassify whatever he wants to declassify. So — and other presidents that have left office have had classified documents. They were not treated the same way as Donald Trump is being treated. It is a two-tiered justice system in this country, for sure. There's no doubt about it.
Because those people all held onto the documents even after a subpoena for them was issued and served, and told their lawyers to lie for them about the documents, and hid documents and moved them between properties, and called those documents "MINE!" and....

Sarah Longwell:

The biggest thing is that they really don't have a lot of faith or trust in the FBI or in the Department of Justice to prosecute this fairly.

And I hear this always from Republican groups, and you hear it from Republican elected officials too. And the conservative media really talks about this. They say they're out to get Trump. There's a two-tiered justice system.

Trump wants a two-tiered justice system, as do they.  One for the people they don't like, and one that leaves the people they do like, alone.  These are not, in other words, serious people.  As I've said, I knew people (mostly dead now; the early 70's were a LONG time ago!) who thought Nixon was railroaded.  There are undoubtedly people who think O.J. is innocent (he was acquitted; he wasn't pronounced "innocent"). So it goes.

These are the Trump supporters who only got him elected in 2016 because of the electoral college and the appallingly bad campaigning of Hillary Clinton (we can't all be Bill Clinton, let's face it.  Say what you want about Bill, he's a champion campaigner.).  Trump was roundly rejected in 2020 despite being the incumbent, and all the MAGAheads on the world (by my count there are 8 gathered around that table) won't put Humpty Trumpty back together again.

And clearly, you can't fix stupid. 

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