The article is worth reading if you’re a lawyer. But the tl;dr is that the linchpin here is intent to defraud.To my friend (& he is!) @JonathanTurley & everyone else saying Judge Engoron's reasoning is illegitimate
— Norm Eisen (norm.eisen on Threads) (@NormEisen) February 19, 2024
NO, NO, NO 1000x NO@AndrewWarrenFL & I wrote an indep. analysis of the evidence & law (a top 10 SSRN paper in our category)👇
The ruling is sound! https://t.co/dPpCMQ6exL pic.twitter.com/dUifeFShkh
are confusing what was actually charged in court with what they think they know. It’s a common problem. I learned long ago that, unless you are a lawyer working on the case, you don’t know what’s going on in the case. Unless, as was done for the article, you actually study the case.Just wait until Byron discovers Trump can be prosecuted for conspiring to steal the election even though his conspiracy failed. https://t.co/ALUt27T5dz
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) February 19, 2024
"But the bank got paid back" is not the defense they think it is. Letting this kind of fraud go would be worse than the wild west, the banking system would basically stop functioning. This is the example I used when explaining this to an acquaintance. Two neighbors find themselves in desperate financial conditions. Each owns a home worth $300K and completely mortgaged. Each goes to the bank and fraudulently claims their house is worth $1M and gets a loan for $500K. The bank loans each of them the half million based on a properties worth $1M only having mortgages of $300K. Both home owners go to the casino, one places their money on red, the other on black. The first home owner wins and walks out with $1M, the second home owner loses. The first home owner pays back the bank and keeps the other $500K, the second home owner obviously can't pay back the bank. What is the difference between the first home owner that paid back the bank and the second who didn't? They both committed fraud, it was only luck that let the first pay back the bank. If we let the first home owner walk away because they paid the bank back, it's not hard to see that over time if enough people engage in this behavior the bank will ultimately fail.
ReplyDeleteIn a less legalistic discussion, the system only works if everyone acts with a modicum of good faith. Part of my career was heavily devoted to contractual work. Where trust was low, agreements were long and complicated to cover as many possibilities of bad faith action by the other side. Negotiations were time and resource consuming, there was a lot of friction and business was slow. Where there was reasonable commercial trust, then the parties could agree to terms rational terms, most of the negotiation was on things like price and delivery, not how to avoid getting screwed, and generally everything was mutually beneficial. There were occasions where trust was so low, a sense that the other party would act in good faith, that it wasn't worth contracting. Nobody benefited. One-off agreements were harder, there was less incentive for either party to behave if things went wrong (or one side tried to take undue advantage even if nothing went wrong). You had to cover as many contingencies as possible. Agreements where the parties would have a continuing relationship were easier. The need to continue to work together would result in the parties working past the specific language of the agreement if things went wrong, because both sides saw a benefit in continuing.
Ultimately norms, good faith, trust, matter. Maybe you can get away without them in the one off situations. But longer term, be it banking or legislating, they ultimately are needed for even a modestly function system. The current problems in the house of representatives can be traced to a complete lack of good faith behavior within the Republican caucus, and between the Republican leadership and the Democrats. Violating norms, bad faith negotiation, failing to keep commitments, straight up lying, are all bad for any system.