Listening…

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— Acyn (@Acyn) October 2, 2024

Vance seems to have a really inflated view of the office he aspires to. He blames Harris for Biden’s policies and the (in)action of the Congress. Does Vance think he’ll be running the government as VP?

Is this what a Yale law degree leads to?

(I will give Vance credit: he’s a very slick liar.

🤥. He’s also said several times Harris was POTUS. Walz only after the mud-point break pushed back on that. Should be easy: remind Vance we only have 1 President at a time, and it ain’t the VP.)

How do you “use the office of the Vice President” to implement policy?

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) October 2, 2024

This doesn’t move the needle at all for anyone. It takes quite a lot for any VP debate to move a needle. This one didn’t do enough either way to have any impact at all. Next.

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) October 2, 2024

Although what seems to be Vance’s closing rant (I’ve quit playing close attention) is Vance really letting his freak flag fly. And worse, giving Walz a chance to revisit Jan 6th. Major blunder. Everyone knows the audience remembers the last words they hear. Walz is reminding us why Trump is unfit for office.

I’m pretty much ready to tap out.

Vance is a far better debater. Very smooth. But his whining about fact checks will be the sound bite for under 45 year olds. That’s what they will remember.

Walz had his points ready on immigration and abortion. He largely did no harm. Bad…

— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) October 2, 2024

I tapped out earlier. Walz is making this a “discussion,” and he wins on Midwestern decency.* Vance is closing on a non-censorship issue which, again, voters won’t be voting on. And Walz, again, is pounding on J6. Good ending.

Before the second break, it turns out. Told you I wasn’t paying attention….

I give round 1 slightly to Vance, round 2 solid win for Walz.

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) October 2, 2024

Pretty much. Vance let the mask slip at the end. He ends with a lie:”We didn’t talk about energy.” And glue just lies. 

What else is new?

*Which I think was a good idea. Ranting on that stage would have left Vance playing Kamala to Trump in the last debate. Walz could have slightly defended Harris better, but that’s all. As Amy Walter is pointing out on PBS, Vance’s disapproval numbers are actually worse than Trump’s. I don’t think this lowered Walz’ approval (he has the highest of the 4), but I doubt it moved Vance’s needle, either. PBS is also noting voters being followed like Walz on abortion, disliked (most strongly) Vance on Pence certifying the 2020 election. Which are no longer sexy topics for pundits….

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 https://t.co/e1mCZMk9mV

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 2, 2024

What Josh said.