This is the latest cause celebre in certain circles of Twitter. It is in part a counter-balance, or an effort at it, against what Justice Sotomayor did say.Did Supreme Court Justice Neil M. Gorsuch misstate the number of flu deaths? The transcript—not the justice—was wrong. https://t.co/HeTKdHo1JF #SCOTUS
— ABA Journal (@ABAJournal) January 11, 2022
Not surprisingly, since this is taking place largely on Twitter, tensions run high in all camps. Justice Gorsuch was reported for saying "hundreds of thousands" of deaths from flu every year, when the audio showed he didn't quite say that:The ugliness toward Justice Sotomayor is equal parts offensive and entirely unsurprising given where it’s coming from.
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) January 8, 2022
But the issue is not the "right number" v. an exaggerated number. The issue is apples v. oranges. And the problem is not the transcript v. the audio, it's the rules of appellate procedure v. the practices of the Roberts court:NEW: in Friday's transcript of the OSHA vaccine rule oral argument, Justice Gorsuch was recorded as claiming (erroneously) that "hundreds of thousands" die yearly from the flu. That transcript has been corrected to show "hundreds, thousands", which is consistent with the audio. pic.twitter.com/v7H03PF4OU
— Steven Mazie (@stevenmazie) January 10, 2022
Let me just briefly note something most non-lawyers don't realize: appellate courts don't hear evidence. The stuff that squeezes through the gates of the Rules of Evidence, a gate guarded by a trial judge, is the evidence and record reviewed by an appellate court like the Supreme Court. In the case of a full record, the Court would be bound by, and stick to, the record before it. Allowing in extraneous information like a vague assertion as to the number of deaths from influenza "every year" (which year, the trial judge would immediately ask the witness, and strike any cloud of data as in violation of the rules of evidence) is not done in appellate hearings precisely because it undermines the rules of evidence and the entire order of the appellate system. Appellate courts are bound by the record before them, or there's no reason to go to the trouble of a trial, a record, and keeping out evidence that is not, in fact, evidence. That's the point Prof. Vladek is making. I won't go into the deep analysis of this issue; I just mention it as deep background.Yesterday’s arguments in the vaccine cases - a full-on display of the consequences of a truncated litigation process - compels a closer look @steve_vladeck’s recent op-ed in the @nytimes. https://t.co/E1cemP91gO
— Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) January 8, 2022
A flu pandemic happens when a new kind of flu virus causes people to get sick all over the world. It can last for many months, affect many different places and be very dangerous. Millions of people around the world might get very sick. Many people could die. In the 1900s there were three flu pandemics, including the Spanish Flu of 1918 which caused over 40 million deaths worldwide (over 500,000 in the U.S.)
I listened to most of the SCOTUS hearing on Friday for both cases. It was a thoroughly disheartening experience. The six reactionaries of this Republican court were warming up their arguments to take down not just the vaccine mandate (they deliberately were ignoring the less inflammatory testing option because they want flames) but all kinds of regulations. The non-delegation theory hasn't been this much debated in court hearing in nearly a century. The truest moment was a discussion between the US government and Alito. Alito asked why OSHA had enacted the vaccine mandate under emergency provisions instead of using the general rule making. The response was factual and about speed, but then the government representative said that even if they had used the regular rule making process, the same states would have sued them for rushing the rule making and they would be back at the Supreme Court again. The response was worded nicely, but the Supreme Court gets to decide the cases it takes. It was a backhanded acknowledgement that the six reactionaries are playing Calvin Ball with the government. Emergency enactment? You should have use the regular rules, you lose. Use the regular rules? You rushed and it wasn't well considered, you lose. We slowed the process, got comments and made the rule. Non-delegation, you lose. Pass legislation with explicit authority. Originalism, (Lochner, Lochner!), you lose. This is all done in bad faith and the 6 judges now see themselves as the supreme counsel, the third house of the legislative branch with veto power over the other two. Another lowlight (there were lowlights with each of the six, I just happen to pick two by Alito), was Alito saying if a worked chose to not get vaccinated, then the risk was on them and so what. He then completely ignored the response from the government, and when reiterated by Sotomayor, that it was also about protecting other workers. Really all 6 are in the cult of the individual. Even the other 6 made multiple statements that concern for customers, the general public or workers families was completely irrelevant to the discussion.
ReplyDeleteLike the abortion cases, what is going to happen with these cases will extend well beyond the immediate cases. The conservatives are setting them up to take out whole lines of cases, regulations and statutes they don't like.