How the Constitution was sold, back in the day. I guess it’s not originalist enough, though.Alexander Hamilton. Federalist 69 ,on the difference between the president and a king:
— Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie) July 2, 2024
"The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crime or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would…
"I would like to say 'This book is written to the glory of God', but nowadays this would be the trick of a cheat, i.e., it would not be correctly understood."--Ludwig Wittgenstein
"OH JESUS OH WHAT THE FUCK OH WHAT IS THIS H.P. LOVECRAFT SHIT OH THERE IS NO GOD I DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS—Popehat
Wednesday, July 03, 2024
How They Did It
Silver Linings
To be clear, Trump has to exhaust his state appeals before the Supremes can get at this case. And that’s not necessarily a straight line process.Judge Merchan moving the sentencing to mid September is smart. It gives Trump and DA and the court time to brief the issues, but Merchan will ultimately reject the weak Trump claims, and importantly the new mid-September sentencing date will make it VERY hard for Trump to then…
— Andrew Weissmann (weissmann11 on Threads)🌻 (@AWeissmann_) July 2, 2024
Two Weeks To Go
We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing.
— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) June 30, 2024
Gore Vidal
These headlines are from the 2019 debate cycle. pic.twitter.com/i95Lw4hBLq
A renegade Supreme Court has just sanctioned monarchy. The author of Project 2025 is calling for revolution and suggesting bloodshed if liberals dare oppose them
— Will Bunch (@Will_Bunch) July 3, 2024
Here's what NYT Opinion looks like pic.twitter.com/ML6YG0f8N9
And there it is https://t.co/wYZpDfvNZ4
— Anne Applebaum (@anneapplebaum) July 3, 2024
(Because Democrats do this to themselves, and Republicans never do. Let’s be honest. The NYT freaks out, and Democrats as far south as Texas freak out. So it goes.)So it comes out all his closest aides think he's nuts, he doesn't read, he doesn't have coherent thoughts, he is incapable of thinking of others!! MUST go!!!! Oh. wait. That is Trump- documented, on the record statements. Repeated and consistent displays of bizarre and unhinged,…
— Jen "I dissent " Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) July 3, 2024
(But Biden! On TeeVee!)Every now and then someone comes right out and says the quiet part out loud. There it is, folks. https://t.co/6NKi1uTrrl
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) July 3, 2024
Did Anyone Tell The NYT…
...that the Supreme Court ruling on “the nature of politics” would itself be the story, not just the starting point of an analysis? 🧐FTFYNYT pic.twitter.com/oYQC30e9Uc
— emptywheel (chicklet) (@emptywheel) July 3, 2024
“I Feel Like I’m Taking Crazy Pills!”
'Donors are furious!' Insiders say White House is now consumed by Biden freak outhttps://t.co/2K6S6OkAY4
— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 3, 2024
Donors are furious," Vande Hei said. "Voters are telling them what [Rep.] Lloyd Doggett's voters are telling him, which is we want him to step aside. That's why yesterday we talked to several people who were on multiple calls with a lot of members, and when there was a show of hands or, hey, should he stay in – almost nobody said that he should stay in.
Biden raised $264 million in Q2. Of that, $127 million was raised in June; of that, more than $30 million was raised the weekend following the debate.
Which donors are furious? And why are State Sen. Lloyd Dogget’s voters suddenly the voice of the Democratic Party?
Oh, wait… it’s Jim Vandehei reporting. Never mind.
Irony alert: Lloyd Doggett was elected to the Texas Senate when I lived in Austin. I haven’t lived in Austin in over 30 years. Behold the power of incumbency.All The News That Titillates
Yeah, how Biden appeared on TV is the most important thing.Think Donald Trump won the debate? Read the transcript.
— Toronto Star (@TorontoStar) July 2, 2024
There’s no denying that President Biden’s performance on TV was abysmal. But read the transcript. Compare the content, not the performance, and then decide who should be president. #Opinion https://t.co/jecq1wU2O7
And why he won’t talk about stepping down is the second most important thing.Trump's Project 2025 leader: "We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be” pic.twitter.com/8rk8a7fDT8
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 3, 2024
… slander White House staffers as “liars,” “gaslighters,” & more, as if the debate was proof of some nefarious scheme to hoodwink the nation for years, and not, you know, a very surprising, unusually bad night. These reporters are cherry-picking shreds of gossip at best… (5/7)
— Dan Cluchey (@dancluchey) July 3, 2024
Wait! That would mean news is…gossip! Journalists aren’t that petty, are they?… rather than petty, gossipy vengeance-seekers. There are legitimate questions here that POTUS must address head-on. But we are doomed either way if our political press can’t demonstrate the clarity and capacity to do *their* job, too. (7/7)
— Dan Cluchey (@dancluchey) July 3, 2024
It's kind of incredible to see how insulated people are to the point where a landmark Parkinson's bill gets signed, a representative who is *literally dying* from it attends, and the journalist comment is a half-joke about Biden's age-related campaign issues. pic.twitter.com/2t5EY7aGI8
— Lakshya Jain (@lxeagle17) July 3, 2024
“If Biden Won’t Answer Our Questions…”
"...the way we want him to…”I'm really excited to see how many journalists decided to give SCOTUS cover for making Trump a king by focusing non-stop on Biden (which will still be developing in a few days).
— emptywheel (chicklet) (@emptywheel) July 3, 2024
"...then he’s not fit to be president. Again.”Again, the press demands that Joe Biden quit the race because he didn't do THEIR JOB -- holding Trump accountable for his lies -- well.
— emptywheel (chicklet) (@emptywheel) July 3, 2024
But they are failing that job far worse than any 80-yo man. https://t.co/G2bFeV9CVn
When do they ever apply these ridiculous standards to Trump? Or to any Republican, for that matter?Marc Caputo wants you to know that he thinks Biden's attempts at spin will hurt him in a way Trump's lies have always gotten a pass from him. https://t.co/RvMOlZCEpR
— emptywheel (chicklet) (@emptywheel) July 3, 2024
Opinion | I’m a TV news anchor who reads a script off a teleprompter. Here’s why Biden’s use of a teleprompter is a sign of weakness.
— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) July 3, 2024
Tuesday, July 02, 2024
Begun, The Outreach Has
But Biden’s debate performance!Don’t think he hasn’t already been fitted for a crown. He just hasn’t ordered it yet because he wants the government to pay for it. pic.twitter.com/gRZ9wA4kuU
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 3, 2024
The BosWash Is Talking To Itself
Remember when Clinton couldn’t win because…Arkansas. And then because Lewinsky?Perhaps this deserved to be higher up than the 20th paragraph of the lede story in @nytimes: pic.twitter.com/LXBMNePB01
— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) July 2, 2024
i mean, daily nap, unfit to serve. just stating it out loud makes clear how absurd it is. and again, i'm not saying this is all they've come up with. but why is it being repeated again and again? it speaks for itself.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 3, 2024
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 2, 2024
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 2, 2024The change, on the average, is within the MOE.
“I Don’t Belong To An Organized Political Party”
Dems disparage Biden as 'donkey in the room' during messaging meeting: reporthttps://t.co/LtZm2340gY
— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 3, 2024
Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas), who became the first sitting member of Congress to call for Biden to throw in the towel and let someone else run in his stead, confirmed that there "were a lot of people not very happy."
While Doggett was first, he isn't expected to be the lone voice pleading for a change of the ticket, especially if the campaign and the White House can't "start to show that they get it."
Already, Rep. Jared Golden (D-ME) published an editorial accepting that "Donald Trump is going to win. And I’m OK with that."
The outlet has learned that one Democratic lawmaker suggested Biden "step aside outright" and that while there is still support for Biden, there needs to be "at a minimum" a "decisive change in course by replacing his top campaign advisers."
Meanwhile, Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) pledged his support for Biden and confirmed that the party wouldn't be "holding people back" from expressing their public views — even if they are unflattering to Biden in public."I’m a Democrat.”—Will Rogers
See? (never gonna happen. Dems go through this quadrennially, given the whisper of a chance. “Sources” are the worst about it.)No. Just no. https://t.co/eGgy2KBrpi
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 3, 2024
Is It Confusing Enough Yet?
This actually straightens a few things outOn appeal, Trump's lawyers must argue:
— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) July 2, 2024
* Merchan had it wrong that Trump brought his motion too late.
* That Trump's tweets and other records from the time of his presidency shown to the jury were "official acts."
* Prosecutors wrongly used that evidence to convict him. pic.twitter.com/49BaTVYXid
This reminds me that the Supremes were perfectly OK with allowing someone to be put to death because their lawyers motions were made after the court rules said they had to be submitted. How much would anyone be willing to bet that they'll find some lawerly-liarly way to let Trump off of the NY conviction?I think they will, too; but it’ll be a few years from now. Case has to be finally ruled on by NY Court of Appeals first. And Trump owes several major judgments. My guess us he’s in bankruptcy court sometime next year as the donations stop and the legal fees don’t. I’m not sure he can afford to get this case back to the Supreme Court.
Translating Judgespeak
Just a quick note to say this is a perfectly reasonable response to the situation.BREAKING: Trump's sentencing is postponed until Sept. 18 "if such is still necessary" pic.twitter.com/WLlLZkq6wJ
— Graham Kates (@GrahamKates) July 2, 2024
Not The Victory Trump Is Looking For
Initial headlines missed it. But corrupt Court also changed constittuion to allow Trump to undo his pre-presidency NY state felonies https://t.co/MNJjtFVAkH via @TPM
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 2, 2024
The majority’s decision, and Barrett’s concurrence, reads like a transcript of evidentiary hearings that happened throughout Trump’s New York trial. And, in short, the trial court adopted Barrett’s approach to considering evidence from Trump’s time in office—an approach which, as of yesterday, is unconstitutional (agains, see p. 31 of the majority’s opinion). Did any of that evidence actually matter to the outcome in New York? Who knows… and that’s the point. The trial court is going to be hard-pressed to say that any possible error here was harmless; SCOTUS went out of its way to say that admitting basically any such evidence is prejudicial.
Bottom line: Roberts has a knack for writing opinions that are bad on their face, and worse below the surface. Add Trump v. United states to the list of “worse than it looks.”There is further analysis of the decision, with important quotes from it, but I’ll cut to the chase:
There’s no way that the NY trial court correctly analyzed evidence drawn from Trump’s time in office—how could it, when the rule didn’t exist then? But still, it seems impossible to say ex ante that all of the evidence let in was merely private. And, if anything let in was plausibly a public act, then SCOTUS’s opinion seems to say that a mistrial would be required.I know Trump is aiming for outright dismissal of the charges (never gonna happen; paying off a porn star to keep her from going to the media, and hiding the payments in false business records, is not remotely “official duties”. And talking to employees of the President’s business while in office can’t remotely be considered “official,” either. In fact, my guess is this goes up in appeal on the same grounds the case went back to D.C.: because the Court didn’t really settle that issue.). If Merchan (unlikely) declares a mistrial based on Trump v U.S., at worst the case goes back to the trial court for a new trial (no error by the prosecution, who followed the law at the time of trial). So Trump pays for a second trial, which could come…? Well, depends on the Manhattan docket.
I still think the vast majority of the indictment in DC and Georgia stand after yesterday as unofficial acts or non-core official acts though there will be tricky issues related to J6 itself. It's a terrible decision that poses serious dangers if the wrong person is president.
— Anthony Michael Kreis (@AnthonyMKreis) July 2, 2024
A Reminder
Art. III is the shortest article in the Constitution. It establishes a “Supreme Court” and a Chief Justice, much the same way Art. I establishes a “Speaker of the House.” The duties and even selection of the Speaker are then left to the House .What really blows my mind is that in US constitutional law you actually don’t know what is the President’s “function and authority” bc there’s no actual list in the constitution of things the President can and can’t do. They can basically do whatever the other 2 Branches let them https://t.co/p8nZdQsPO3
— Alonso Gurmendi (@Alonso_GD) July 2, 2024
We Really Need To Talk About Biden
😎 📈 pic.twitter.com/N4cdFQ63OP
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 2, 2024
(But raving about sharks and windmills is fine?)Listeners weigh in after Trump's sluggish radio interview: Oh my god, Trump sounded like he was having valium in his coffee. He was slow and low energy. This troubles me pic.twitter.com/PrZFBg9XWp
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 2, 2024
Fox: The Biden campaign raised $127 million in June, making it the campaign's best month of the cycle. More than $30 million came after the debate with the majority coming from grassroots donations pic.twitter.com/Te8RKzzwuS
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 2, 2024
Chronicle Of A Death Foretold
This is where I mention that magical realism came about because fantasy is too easily dismissed as mere allegory, and realism couldn’t begin to tell the truth about the culture from which magical realism sprang. Because it had to.“…But if the Supreme Court is ever composed of imprudent men or bad citizens, the Union may be plunged into anarchy or civil war.” - Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, 1831
— Sean Casten (@SeanCasten) July 2, 2024
But, But, But!
Sen. Coons: Every time Donald Trump speaks at a rally, there's long stretches where he is just ranting about nonsense, like whether he'd rather be electrocuted or eaten by a shark. He says nonsensical things about forests bursting into flames or windmills causing cancer pic.twitter.com/fU5g1w9JS1
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 2, 2024But anonymous sources say that behind closed doors Biden is not such a nice guy!
'Not a pleasant person': Biden insiders dump on 'cabal' of aides for hiding real presidenthttps://t.co/9aFDHVI5vw
— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 2, 2024
"People are scared s---less of him," one senior administration told Politico. "He is not a pleasant person to be around when he’s being briefed."The horror! The horror!
Fair and balanced.Whether it's Joe Biden speaking in a raspy voice and forgetting the word "Medicaid" for a few moments or it's Donald Trump raping women and being convicted of multiple felonies, neither candidate is fit to hold office.
— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) June 28, 2024
The 9 Ringwraiths Are Servants Of The Ring
As every nerd knows.BREAKING: in a 9-0 decision, the black-robed Supreme Injustices of Mordor have ruled that the Dark Lord has immunity for official acts undertaken while wielding the One ring to rule them all. pic.twitter.com/CHnGQBRStm
— JRR Jokien (@joshcarlosjosh) July 1, 2024
“The Life Of The Mother”
'How's this supposed to work?' Ex-cabinet official says court adds new chaos to governmenthttps://t.co/HpqbBe0bua
— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 2, 2024
"How is this supposed to work?"Johnson added. "I don't understand how the implementation of this ruling is going to work. Just the process of separating out what's an official act, what's a quasi-official act, what is a non-official act. In the court will be a trial in and of itself, then an appeal following that. This is a real setback."
Johnson explained that the chain of command in the executive branch is currently set up so each official can be individually held accountable, but he said the court's ruling upends that arrangement.
"When the executive branch is functioning like it should, you have a legally controversial action, such as [a] counterterrorism action," Johnson said. "The action works its way up through the chain of command. Every person in the chain of command has a lawyer, it's signed off by the general counsel of the Department of Defense, the general counsel of the CIA, the office of the department of the legal counsel. By the time it gets to the lawyer, everyone has signed off on it. Therefore, the president is acting consistent with law. There are built-in safeguards for that."
"It is only because, now, 235 years in, we have a past and possibly future president who engages in criminal conduct that we have to have this debate," Johnson added. "At least five justices on the Supreme Court feel the need to try to protect him. This is, to me, an unbelievable decision. In my view, it is a setback to our constitutional order."The majority thinks they’ve been excessively clever. Like the favorite abortion carveout for “the life of the mother” really meant to make abortion impossible, think they’ve provided “absolute immunity” without ever calling it that. But that’s clearly the point of the drill:
I cite that for the quote of footnote 3:Yeah, that would be an extremely weak evidentiary basis for a prosecution that would have every legal pundit screaming. https://t.co/CXV33UXiqa
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 2, 2024
What the prosecutor may not do, however, is admit testimony or private records of the President or his advisers probing the official act itself. Allowing that sort of evidence would invite the jury to inspect the President's motivations for his official actions and to second-guess their propriety.
Which inspection is improper because droit de seigneur and sovereign immunity. But when kings made the law, an order of assassination was per se legal. Now it still just an illegal order, for everybody but the king:
"First of all, from the perspective of a cabinet officer, how is this supposed to work?" Johnson said. "Suppose the president says to the secretary of homeland security, 'I am ordering you to order the border patrol to go shoot at migrants swimming across the Rio Grande.' The cabinet official would rightly say, 'Well, you have immunity, but I don't — you go do it yourself. I'm not telling the border patrol to do that.'"So the POTUS is going to reach down to the border patrol agent on the ground and, what, offer him a pardon for committing murder? It’s a child’s version of government, not unlike children who imagine their body is a solid mass rather than a network of blood vessels and nerves and lymph and a collection of organs and muscles and bones. The body literally doesn’t work like that. The government literally doesn’t work like that. The presidency literally doesn’t work like this opinion imagines it does.
"So the chief [Justice] tried to make the best case possible that this was the only way out ... he stressed that the separation of powers protects the office of the presidency in a way that would certainly prohibit any kind of prosecution for official acts, and he said there has to be that presumption for official acts and you know, he stressed that that fear and that that idea that presidents should not have to hedge in any way."But that’s precisely the point of the chain of command and 235 years of establishing a legal process within government. What the majority presents is a child’s view of government as a unitary lump of clay rather than a set of complex systems working together to accomplish a goal. Presidents have to “hedge” because governments are creations of law, not emanations if divine will expressed through kings.
Three Guesses
Is Trump talking to Clarke about the fake electors scheme (assuming arguendo the Court accepts Kreis’ argument), official because the POTUS is talking to a DOJ employee? Or does the content of the conversation render it unofficial?No. Presidential electors are not federal officers. And the president has no role in assigning how electors are chosen nor does the office have an interest in the certification process. This was a campaign-backed effort, supported by partisan lawyers not employed by government. https://t.co/jE4ATqL5Wm
— Anthony Michael Kreis (@AnthonyMKreis) July 2, 2024
Yeah. Three guesses, first two don’t count. “Presumptive immunity” not meant to be presumptive. Now let’s see if it can even be waived.I agree. The “presumptive immunity” is giving prosecutors busywork only to eventually determine that the conduct is immunized https://t.co/4pMmqj3HRB
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) July 2, 2024
Absolute Immunity Is Absolute
This will get interesting.BREAKING: Trump is seeking to stall his NY sentencing by claiming today’s immunity opinion somehow applies to his convictions for purely personal acts like 2016 election interference and creating phony business docs in 2017
— Norm Eisen (#TryingTrump out now!) (@NormEisen) July 2, 2024
It won’t work—a thread (1/x)https://t.co/SHHmMPbbfj
I said earlier that immunity is jurisdictional. It is, but in one of those interesting distinctions in the law, it’s not jurisdiction.In his opinion Judge Hellerstein found that Trump "has expressly waived any argument premised on a theory of absolute presidential immunity"
— Norm Eisen (#TryingTrump out now!) (@NormEisen) July 2, 2024
So it won’t work this time either (3/x) pic.twitter.com/Om1RFcPmPT
Closing Time Somewhere
I’m pretty sure after Magna Carta that King John had less immunity than current and future American presidents.
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 1, 2024
Let me give you Fitzgerald at 754:2/ What's hard to fathom is Court's high threshold to overcome presumptive immunity.
— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) July 1, 2024
On the left:
Nixon v. Fitzgerald sets this as a balancing test - with public interest in criminal trial on one side of equation.
On the right:
Trump v US omits that side of the equation. ⤵️ pic.twitter.com/PMPz681koO
But our cases also have established that a court, before exercising jurisdiction, must balance the constitutional weight of the interest to be served against the dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch. See Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, 433 U. S. 425, 433 U. S. 443 (1977); United States v. Nixon, supra, at 418 U. S. 703-713. When judicial action is needed to serve broad public interests -- as when the Court acts not in derogation of the separation of powers, but to maintain their proper balance, cf. Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, supra, or to vindicate the public interest in an ongoing criminal prosecution, see United States v. Nixon, supra -- the exercise of jurisdiction has been held warranted. In the case of this merely private suit for damages based on a President's official acts, we hold it is not.The page ends with a footnote to that last sentence which is also worth noting:
The Court has recognized before that there is a lesser public interest in actions for civil damages than, for example, in criminal prosecutions. See United States v. Gillock, 445 U. S. 360, 445 U. S. 371-373 (1980); cf. United State v. Nixon, 418 U.S. at 418 U. S. 711-712, and n.19 (basing holding on special importance of evidence in a criminal trial and distinguishing civil actions as raising different questions not presented for decision). It never has been denied that absolute immunity may impose a regrettable cost on individuals whose rights have been violated. But, contrary to the suggestion of JUSTICE WHITE's dissent, it is not true that our jurisprudence ordinarily supplies a remedy in civil damages for every legal wrong. The dissent's objections on this ground would weigh equally against absolute immunity for any official. Yet the dissent makes no attack on the absolute immunity recognized for judges and prosecutors.
Our implied rights of action cases identify another area of the law in which there is not a damages remedy for every legal wrong. These cases establish that victims of statutory crimes ordinarily may not sue in federal court in the absence of expressed congressional intent to provide a damages remedy. See, e.g., Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner Smith, Inc. v. Curran, 456 U. S. 353 (1982); Middlesex County Sewerage Auth. v. National Sea Clammers Assn., 453 U. S. 1 (1981); California v. Sierra Club, 451 U. S. 287 (1981). JUSTICE WHITE does not refer to the jurisprudence of implied rights of action. Moreover, the dissent undertakes no discussion of cases in the Bivens line in which this Court has suggested that there would be no damages relief in circumstances "counseling hesitation" by the judiciary. See Bivens v. Six Unknown Fed. Narcotics Agents, supra, at 403 U. S. 396; Carlson v. Green, 446 U. S. 14, 446 U. S. 19 (1980) (in direct constitutional actions against officials with "independent status in our constitutional scheme . . . judicially created remedies . . . might be inappropriate").
Even the case on which JUSTICE WHITE places principal reliance, Marbury v. Madison, 1 Cranch 137 (1803), provides dubious support, at best. The dissent cites Marbury for the proposition that
"[t]he very essence of civil liberty certainly consists in the right of every individual to claim the protection of the laws, whenever he receives an injury."
Id. at 5 U. S. 163. Yet Marbury does not establish that the individual's protection must come in the form of a particular remedy. Marbury, it should be remembered, lost his case in the Supreme Court. The Court turned him away with the suggestion that he should have gone elsewhere with his claim. In this case, it was clear at least that Fitzgerald was entitled to seek a remedy before the Civil Service Commission -- a remedy of which he availed himself. See supra at 457 U. S. 736-739, and n. 17.
Although the highlighted portion of that footnote is the only part relevant to our concerns, I don’t want to be accused of doing what Roberts did: proof texting, as we called it in seminary. Or distorting the case law, as the lawyers say.
Fitzgerald was a case regarding presidential immunity from civil cases. On page 754 the Court distinguished that from criminal cases. Which makes it all the more egregious Roberts cites that very page for support of his conclusion.
Immunity is jurisdiction. It lifts jurisdiction from the courts for matters covered. Sovereign immunity means the court cannot decide hear civil claims against the state. The Speech and Debate clause means the court cannot hear civil suits raised by things said by members of Congress. Presidential immunity means the court cannot hear claims against the President; for, per Fitzgerald, official acts. The Fitzgerald court did not apply that to criminal prosecutions; only civil claims.
Here’s a more legible sample of the relevant quote from the majority opinion:
What Roberts says is actually the dead opposite of what Fitzgerald says. He completely excises the reference to US v Nixon, and really only cites the case because it gave us the “official/unofficial” dichotomy that Roberts uses to fig leaf his way into absolute immunity but-not-really. And yes, Roberts does it by ignoring any public interest in a criminal prosecution of the president there might be. Which sounds like a dandy sound-bite argument for a 28th Amendment: the legitimate public interest in seeing that no one is above the law.IMMUNITY
— Lee Kovarsky (@lee_kovarsky) July 1, 2024
FWIW, the rubber will hit the road when courts cash out the below - the standard for overcoming the presumption of immunity - which IMHO is absurdly vague for being this legally salient: https://t.co/ccvu1UEU9g pic.twitter.com/ypCzH7hzfi
That “tricky part" is a feature, not a bug:As I mentioned on @ABCNewsLive today, the really tricky part of today's ruling is the gray area between clearly "official" and "nonofficial" acts -- for which the Court gave very little guidance on either what falls in this zone or how high the bar is to rebut this "presumptive… pic.twitter.com/UcOFXQFIAA
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) July 1, 2024
Luckily for Trump, per the Court’s ruling, he seems to have led the Jan. 6 insurrection in a way that secures him near-blanket immunity. Even some actions Trump took that look a lot like unofficial acts — tweets that egged on the crowds, his speech at the Stop the Steal rally on the Ellipse — might just merit some immunity after all, Chief Justice John Roberts mused in his majority opinion.This opinion is tailored to Trump. By design it will keep at least the D.C. case in appeals for years. Trump may eventually stay out of prison, but he won’t stay out of the poorhouse. Which will become clear as the Court faces the fact questions of what is, and is not, an “official” act of the presidency. That’s gonna eat up more than a few years, and not necessarily in interlocutory appeals. But governments don’t run on a balance sheet, and don’t get tired. Trump will run out of money long before they run out of interest. There’s a lot Roberts can do; but he can’t change the gravitational constant of the universe. If he’s going to do this with plausible deniability, he has to try to hide his goal.
NEW: Rep Joe Morelle (D-NY)
— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 1, 2024
“I will introduce a constitutional amendment to reverse SCOTUS’ harmful decision and ensure that no president is above the law. This amendment will do what SCOTUS failed to do—prioritize our democracy”
Although one could say the GOP understands the court’s decision perfectly. But the GOP’s devotion to Trump is not matched by the rest of the population. And Biden can play those two against the middle. Because if the rest of the country understands the court’s opinion, Trump is toast. It is, after all, a pretty simple proposition:Lot of polling out of immunity, but perhaps the most interesting finding... Republicans think Trump should be immune for his official acts.
— (((Harry Enten))) (@ForecasterEnten) July 1, 2024
But with a generic president (i.e. no named attached), Republicans don't think the president should be immune from prosecution. pic.twitter.com/9FvzOHq1sb
Why bother with courts anymore now? https://t.co/hB4xggxvnh
— GOP Jesus (@GOPJesusUSA) July 2, 2024
Monday, July 01, 2024
Presidential/Campaign Mode (NOW WITH VIDEO LINK)
What he said.NEW >> President Biden will speak to the nation tonight on today’s Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity
— Ian Sams (@IanSams46) July 1, 2024
Tune in at 7:45pm https://t.co/ooF0IaeqzH pic.twitter.com/pNCDIy76hA
The 28th Amendment
Trump's immunity win will 'backfire' on him in November: CNN analysthttps://t.co/hrvBQBrpA8
— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 1, 2024
"The more you look at it, the worse it looks," said Jones. "When you put it all together, basically, the Supreme Court said in the past week, no rules for the powerful, no rights for the powerless. So if you're homeless, you can be thrown in jail for the crime of not having enough money to get a hotel room, but if you're the President of the United States, you can commit an undetermined number of crimes under color of law and get away with it. This is not good."As I was saying:
However, Jones added, "I'm telling you, this is going to backfire politically. Because what I'm seeing from the left now, if you thought people were discouraged by what happened last week with Biden's performance, they are now outraged and terrified that Donald Trump is going to get in office and be a complete madman dictator."
"So this is — politically, this is a gift to the left, though it is a blow to the country," Jones concluded.If the debate stimulated the tongue-cluckers, this knocks them completely off their perch. It also, IMHO, galvanizes a country steeped in the idea that we don’t have a king. I knew people who thought Nixon was railroaded; but they’d never have seriously argued he was immune from all criminal prosecution.
Never take advice from fools. If Biden acts on his “new powers,” it’s quite a bit harder to argue no President, and especially Trump, should have them.If Joe Biden doesn't use this SCOTUS ruling on presidential #immunity on "official" acts to take some drastic action, then he and his entire administration and campaign are addled in truly epic ways.
— Aisha Sultan (@AishaS) July 1, 2024
I cannot compete with this https://t.co/NOzj3eWpGt
— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) July 1, 2024
Epic amounts.Congratulations on the stupidest take of the day.
— Angry Staffer 🌻 (@Angry_Staffer) July 1, 2024
On a day where SCOTUS said POTUS is a King
I really think the more this sinks in…Per a friend, this tweet is circulating on some TikTok trend.
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
I’m personally not on the platform but I understand some of you are. pic.twitter.com/55A3vCFoBP
... the more the margins shrink…These poor little MAGAts have ABSOLUTELY no fucking idea how wrong they are.
— emptywheel (chicklet) (@emptywheel) July 1, 2024
I mean, fine for them, so long as they're willing to stay blindly loyal to Trump. https://t.co/Tw9k2TzI2l
...and shrink...Haven’t really thought the ruling through yet, huh? Drone strikes are official acts, apparently not prosecutable now. Biden could officially arrest anyone he wants based on the slightest evidence they could be working with a foreign power, and now that couldn’t be questioned.
— Mateohh (@mateohh) July 1, 2024
...and shrink.MAGAt after MAGAt keep saying that if the opinion says what the opinion says it is horrible. https://t.co/XNh9pAdnle
— emptywheel (chicklet) (@emptywheel) July 1, 2024
Now explain to her it’s not in the Constitution, it’s just in the Court’s opinion. Yes, there’s a lot of MAGA magical thinking out there that this opinion doesn’t say what it clearly says. But Trump can’t afford to lose any margin. At. All. (I should note even local TV news was accurately reporting this case in just a few sentences, emphasizing how hard a prosecution would be due to the bar on evidence.)So her claim is the president has a constitutional right to poison people?
— Justine (@BruinJustine) July 1, 2024
Which section of Article 2 does she interpret that from?
Let’s be real: the reality of this opinion is never going to reach MAGA Central. But some disgust at the margins could well be enough (not to gain Biden votes, but to lose Trump ones).Mike Johnson pretends not to understand that even if Biden's DOJ had been weaponized, John Roberts just gave sanction to that. https://t.co/i4k8b9MOog
— emptywheel (chicklet) (@emptywheel) July 1, 2024
Dumb like a sledge hammer...swung hard against the foundations of constitutional order. This is the "right hand giveth, left hand taketh away" portion of the opinion. Sure, they didn't grant absolute immunity. But you can't have any evidence to prove the crimes, so...I respectfully disagree with Barb here. I think it remains to be seen whether there is some "fruit of the poisonous tree" effect here. All of the state action, if done in furtherance of taking care that the Electoral Vote Act, or other federal election laws, are "faithfully" (🙄)… https://t.co/DdncwVfPvl
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) July 1, 2024
The only solution now is a 28th Amendment.It can never again be said that in America “no man is above the law.” The Supreme Court held today that the President of the United States — and the former president in particular — is above the law, and the only person in America who is above the law.
— @judgeluttig (@judgeluttig) July 1, 2024
And Don’t Sleep On The Pardon Power
POTUS could pardon the person who carried out the order and argue he wasn’t making an illegal order, because now the President can’t make an illegal order..Yes, and the President would have core executive authority to remove anyone he wants from the military until he gets the person who would execute the order. And that exercise of authority, per Roberts, is subject to absolute immunity. https://t.co/W4YH4FqBC3
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
Actually, POTUS could under this ruling. And the examples of Michael Flynn and Oliver North don’t say much for absolute military fidelity to the rule of law. Not to mention the leakers of military secrets by soldiers more loyal to their ideology than the law. POTUS could find somebody to do it, easily. Several DIJ lawyers threatened to quit over the electoral challenges fraud; but Jeffrey Clarke stepped up. Lawyers have A LOT of education on this topic.He would not be able to remove a single person from the military and he would never be able to get any military member to follow that obviously unlawful order.
— Jason Nichols (@TheJasonNichols) July 1, 2024
Military officers, unlike you, have a lot of education on this topic.
These are precisely the hypotheticals an appellate court is expected to consider. The dissent points that out, and Roberts just waves them away. Roberts’ opinion is neither wearisome nor unproductive, however. It is merely destructive.These hyperbolic hypotheticals are just so wearisome & unproductive...
— Ric Fouad (@ricfouad) July 1, 2024
Campaign theme. Just sayin’…again and again and again.As I said earlier today, House/Senate Dems should put into writing a constitutional amendment to overrule the decision and more narrowly define the immunity issue given even the majority opinion concedes the Constitution contains no explicit provision on this.
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
No, it's not going… https://t.co/2vVREc9inS
Damned hypotheticals!As I noted earlier, SCOTUS just made itself irrelevant if a president declines to respect it https://t.co/5tnikZUEVy
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
Another campaign slogan/theme.Women can be criminally prosecuted for getting an abortion but the most powerful person in the United States can commit crimes freely in office with complete immunity as long as they understand which levers of power and methods to use to commit the crimes.
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 1, 2024
Under German law at the time Hitler had absolute authority. It’s worth noting the Crown of England has sovereign immunity (I’m not sure what would happen if the sovereign committed a serious crime), but at the same time virtually no authority.If this language of this decision was applied to the actions of the German Chancellor in 1942, the Final Solution at the Wannsee Conference, which culminated in the Holocaust, would be considered an “official act” conferring immunity from criminal prosecution on the executive.
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 1, 2024
Works for me; if only to give Trump more reasons to spend more money on lawyers.I'd like to thank the Supreme Court for granting Joe Biden godlike official powers.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) July 1, 2024
I think his first step should be to declare all Trump golf courses as protected Federal wildlife preserves and seize them by eminent domain...it's an official act, so it's cool, right?
The nutshell case for why the documents case survives even as the D.C. case appears doomed (or at least attenuated). Besides, the crime was not the taking (per se). It’s actually the refusal to return (i.e., why Biden wasn’t charged for the contents of his garage). Which happened long after Trump was POTUS, and so no longer capable of official acts.Last time I checked, stealing classified documents is not part of the President's official ambit.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) July 1, 2024
Gravity
This decision adds a lot more gravity to Trump’s statements.Biden-Harris campaign statement on SCOTUS presidential immunity ruling pic.twitter.com/Lusy7RzKbd
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 1, 2024
And that evidence can’t be used against him because those discussions were “official acts,” even if the acts were not. So it is, effectively, absolute immunity.Legal analyst: Through their decision, the Supreme Court has arrogated power to Donald Trump, someone who poses a threat to democracy. This decision poses a threat to democracy. Donald Trump tried to get Mike Pence to intervene to stop the certification of the Electoral College.… pic.twitter.com/GB5dC7FrHz
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 1, 2024
That's the gravity of the situation now. I’m not sanguine Trump’s criminal prosecutions survive, even as the civil judgments will likely bankrupt him. He will have to spend a great deal to get the criminal cases dismissed, and access to that cash is going to diminish rapidly.Tapper: Donald Trump is promising retribution. He's promising that he's going to go after generals, members of the January 6 committee, etc. This isn't just about hypotheticals. This immunity decision today could impact what happens and what Trump is able to do if he wins in… pic.twitter.com/D8L0YTXGAg
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 1, 2024
'Disaster': Legal analyst cites 'big deal' buried on page 18 of Roberts' pro-Trump rulinghttps://t.co/7T8bnyMwmV
— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 1, 2024
"The second thing, and Katy, this is a big deal, it's on page 18," she added. "There's a big paragraph in terms of the guidelines for Judge Chutkan in determining what's official and what's unofficial. And they say, the majority, 'In divining official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the president's motives.' This was a huge issue at oral argument: Chief Justice Roberts asking John Sauer 'what about bribery?'"
"Let's say former president Trump or a president appointing somebody to an ambassadorship gets a whole bunch of money for that, are you saying we can't consider the bribery but we can consider the acceptance of the money?" she elaborated. "That's nonsensical. Despite that, they're carving a rule that says the motive can't be considered. If you appoint somebody, it doesn't matter whether you're doing that for your own private gain."
"How can that be? How can they write an opinion that says that?" host Tur pressed.
"I want to be clear with what we're seeing here," Rubin replied. "I want to go back to [former solicitor general] Neil Katyal's comments — this is not so much an opinion as it is a broad edict meant to serve a particular moment, even while they say they are writing a rule for the ages."It’s a rule for the age of Trump; nothing less and nothing more.
Sounds Like A Campaign Theme To Me
The American public must now understand, in the wake of today’s decision, that Trump would now enter office knowing for certain exactly how he can abuse power and commit crimes using the power of the federal government, something he did not know last time. A frightening prospect.
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 1, 2024
Let The 16th Amendment Be Your Guide
The POTUS can be impeached, because impeachment is not a legal procedure. But he can’t be prosecuted for the bribery he/she was impeached for.Maybe dumb question: but with this ruling, can a president still be impeached?
— Jane Jorgenson (@madpoptart) July 1, 2024
Sure, Why Not?
Correct https://t.co/WovwiVkjqd
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
According to the Supreme Court, President Biden can have the military execute Bannon in the prison showers tonight and be immune from prosecution. https://t.co/Wts3EKCuaF
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
We’re Not Talking About Biden’s Debate Anymore
Well, except:'Big win!' Trump gloats after Supreme Court grants him limited immunityhttps://t.co/2OHVylrMbB
— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 1, 2024
Today’s decision to grant former Presidents criminal immunity reshapes the institution of the Presidency," Sotomayor wrote.
"Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune."
The justices condemn their six colleagues — whose argument was penned by Chief Justice John Roberts — for a decision they say condones treason.
"The indictment paints a stark portrait of a President desperate to stay in power," wrote Sotomayor. "Because our Constitution does not shield a former President from answering for criminal and treasonous acts, I dissent."Expect that language to get more attention than anything the majority wrote.
"Despite the compelling case for goodness, truth, and justice made by our predecessors in the case of Right v. Wrong, we firmly believe that malice, dishonesty, and injustice were the framers' original intent." https://t.co/cpPo5KK4Ud
— Kelly Kennedy (@KellySKennedy) July 1, 2024
“When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."
— John W. Dean (@JohnWDean) July 1, 2024
Richard Nixon, 1974
Affirmed, US Supreme Court, 2024
Or the state courts have to decide what was “private.” Which is how whack this opinion is.Not for nothing but at least part of the evidence used in Trump's Manhattan trial included acts he took while in office. That evidence -- and perhaps his conviction on all 34 counts (since the jury may have used that evidence to conclude guilt on the pre-election charges) are on…
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) July 1, 2024
Yeah; the opinion is that whack. The President is excused from all legal consequences.The majority opinion in Trump says that (1) official acts can't be evidence; and (2) motive is irrelevant.
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) July 1, 2024
If that's the case, how could a president ever actually *be* prosecuted for ordering the military, in his capacity as commander in chief, to kill his chief political rival?
I Think This Is Right
But the case persists if Biden wins. And things get worse when Trump can’t fundraise for re-election (he already owes New York almost everything he owns).Wow. SCOTUS just killed the DC case, more or less.
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
They've sent it back to Chutkan to do a fact-based inquiry into whether certain official acts retain immunity protection or if the rebuttable presumption can be overturned.
Any adverse ruling will be appealed and trial…
Well, duh, a Democrat can’t do it, but a Republican can!For all the conservatives cheering the SCOTUS decision, I would likely to remind you Joe Biden is currently president and now has SCOTUS case law outlining just how much he can do with impunity to prevent Trump from winning.
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
Let the courts sort it out. Three or four years from now.The Supreme Court just gave Biden unequivocal immunity to order the military to take action against Trump.
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
Today. Right now.
Kill ‘em all, let the courts sort ‘em out. That’s the power the Court wanted, isn’t it?Dear President Biden -
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
I am authoring a memo outlining everything you can now do with impunity or, at a minimum, the presumption of impunity.
This is the problem with the Court establishing itself as a super-legislature. Well, one of the problems.The Supreme Court just ruled that a president can have the military execute them and the president is immune from prosecution for it.
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
And if you’re Trump, presumably from political repercussions.A president can choose to nuke American cities filled with his political opponents and retain immunity from prosecution.
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
On the political side, I really don’t think this is good for Trump.Election 2024 - do you want to risk living in a military dictatorship or not?
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
Good suggestions. Gotta play the politics of this.Dems should do two things to make the future of democracy a central feature of the choice in November.
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
Biden should issue an EO stating that his Administration does not believe it can rely upon the scope of immunity conferred on it by SCOTUS and accordingly will not take that…
When that reality catches up to perception, expect a lot of support for a Constitutional amendment.According to the Supreme Court, President Biden can deploy the military against Senator Tuberville and can never be prosecuted for it. https://t.co/aLPLjTXNhn
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
Let that sink in.As I read it, yes, Nixon was absolutely immune. https://t.co/ZoJcBjC4PQ
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 1, 2024
Well, That’s Not Good
Kind of the outcome that was expected, but not in the way that was expected.Roberts's majority opinion articulates the Court's view of where the line is, and remands to the district court to decide, in light of that ruling, which of the charges in the indictment can go forward.
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) July 1, 2024
Yeah, this is not good.Sotomayor: "With fear for our democracy, I dissent."
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) July 1, 2024
Nor is this.Historically, #SCOTUS has bent over backwards to avoid splitting right down ideological (or partisan) lines in cases of such national importance.
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) July 1, 2024
Its failure to avoid those optics here is a major institutional failure—whether you're more or less sympathetic to the bottom line.
Aye, there's the rub.There's an important sub-part of the Trump immunity ruling in which #SCOTUS holds that "protected conduct" (that can't be prosecuted) also can't be used as *evidence* to establish other charges.
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) July 1, 2024
Justice Barrett, otherwise concurring, agrees with the dissenters that that's wrong.
And that’s why.This is a big part of why the ruling is a bigger win for Trump than many of us had been expecting. It’s not just which acts will be immune; it’s how this will hamstring efforts to prosecute even those acts for which there *isn’t* immunity. That’s why Barrett concurs only in part. https://t.co/SwIofaiBqs
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) July 1, 2024
Nothing Fails Like Success
My admiration for LBJ’s legislative accomplishments is almost boundless, and I know he stepped down because of Vietnam. But I agree that, in doing so, he handed Nixon the White House.THE GHOST OF LBJ. Incumbent Dem Pres LBJ dropped out March 31, 1968.
— Ron Nehring (@RonNehring) June 30, 2024
Result: Nixon (R).
Dems have three fewer months to prep for a change in the ticket than they had in '68. Glad the DNC pays time-and-a-half for overtime.
Well, we know where the majority of the free press comes down on that one, including their invention, the pundit class and it's in favor of their tax breaks continuing. Such people wouldn't notice moral turpitude because it's their code of conduct. They hate Biden because he's had a virtuoso presidency, even under the Sinema-Manchin Senate even when he had a nominally Democratic Congress and the Republican-fascists holding the house in the second half of it. No other Democrat of my lifetime, maybe including LBJ could have done better with the hand that Biden was handed, Obama didn't do as well with the one he was handed before 2011.
Which Is More Disqualifying?
1) Biden’s performance at the first debate?
2) Trump’s conviction on a crime of moral turpitude?
Discuss.
One Step Forward, Two Steps Back
— Morgan J. Freeman (@mjfree) June 30, 2024Or his debate performance.
Old news.According to @SethAbramson after detailed analysis of the debate he found that Trump told 602 lies ( obviously some were repeated multiple times) in the 40 minutes he was speaking (1 lie every 3.9 seconds). That must be some sort of Guinness record.
— Barbara Levitan (@BarbaraLevitan) July 1, 2024
Meanwhile, pundits circle the wagons: “It’s up to Biden to prove us wrong!” 😑 (please note many who support Biden already do so because Trump threatens democracy. How does the punditocracy decide that’s why Biden won? Answer: they don’t! Nice work, if you can get it.)What Biden owes his country if he stays in after the debate disaster. Every decision he makes from now on, including whether he stays in the race, must prove he means what he says about the grave danger Trump poses to our democracy.
— EJ Dionne (@EJDionne) June 30, 2024
My column, free access https://t.co/aSF50myuUB
He's giving them a bad name.Love this https://t.co/S22bhEMZqc
— Claude Taylor (@TrueFactsStated) June 30, 2024
No we’re getting somewhere.I’m bored with panic-tweeting about Biden’s age. I want to start rage-tweeting about how Democrats replaced him with the wrong person.
— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) June 30, 2024