When in doubt yourself, defer to the knowledge of a law professor; preferably a good one.This ruling is preposterous—especially the part where it blocks the government from continuing to use materials already in its possession.
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) September 5, 2022
At the very least, that last ruling creates an immediately appealable injunctive-like order, which DOJ can now take to the Eleventh Circuit. https://t.co/b07e1oR5vK
"If this holds up, it's going to require the minting of a whole new area of law for the scope and boundaries of a former Pres's executive priv interests. How the hell is a Special Master supposed to call balls and strikes? This could be huge delays. I think DOJ needs to appeal," wrote Litman. "Cannon's opinion acknowledges that Rule 41 is reserved for exceptional circumstances and must be exercised w/ caution and restraint. Then she storms ahead like a bull in a china shop b/c it's possible that Trump may turn out to have some undefined interest down the line."The ruling, continued Litman, "never comes close to holding there's an executive privilege interest here. But b/c of the gossamer possibility that there may be one down the line, she orders the gov to stop its review and orders a Special Master to review all docs under completely undefined legal standards." He added that "it reads as if she's never handled criminal cases before."
If this goes to SCOTUS and the presiding judge of the district (Thomas, if I understand correctly) doesn't issue a stay on appeal that the full court supports, that would not be a bad thing. I can't see that happening, though, because even the Court that decided Dobbs was never coo-coo for cocoa puffs over Trump's election arguments, and this one is no better than those. IOW, I see this being reversed and smashed to bits in very short order. Because this opinion just throws a lot of law in the shredder.In addition to appealing Judge Cannon’s ruling, DOJ can ask the Eleventh Circuit for a stay of that ruling pending appeal (if it actually *needs* a stay).
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) September 5, 2022
Whoever loses on *that* issue (whether to stay the ruling pending appeal) can then take that matter to #SCOTUS. https://t.co/E5Z4OsG93O
What I just said about reading comprehension, but now: "Did she even read the caselaw?"The suggestion that it's an open question whether he has exec privilege rights is belied by the very Sup Ct case she cites,Trump v Thompson, in which court held that under the circumstances (Biden waives, criminal investigation), any claim must yield.
— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) September 5, 2022
I'm no longer giving her that much credit. I honestly think she doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground, and she's too incompetent to sit on the bench.It’s hard to read this without concluding that Judge Cannon recognizes many of Trump’s arguments are tenuous at best.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 5, 2022
She bent over backwards to grant him this review based on “extraordinary circumstances” and the need for the appearance of fairness.
There is, besides, another issue here that the 11th Circuit and even the Supremes will consider an overriding concern:Judge Cannon’s order is riddled with fundamental legal errors and is the opposite of judicial restraint.
— Ted Boutrous (@BoutrousTed) September 5, 2022
And I'm just gonna drop this here to "prove" I was on the right track earlier:Important to remember this isn’t necessarily a completed crime. If FBI/DOJ have reason to believe there are still unreturned classified documents – which pose an ongoing threat to nat sec – it makes little sense to pause two months to figure that out.https://t.co/Sg81yKcnHk
— Peter Strzok (@petestrzok) September 5, 2022
The problem with making an opinion "bulletproof" is that's where you put all your energy, and you ending writing an opinion riddled with error. And it is still possible the judge is treating Trump as if he were pro se./10 some people have suggested this is the judge giving Trump every break to make the result bulletproof. It’s possible. It would be a fairly extravagant example of the genre. I’ve seen judges do it with pro se litigants, though none comparable to Trump. https://t.co/j8XzvbAeSs
— EnemyOfTheHat (@Popehat) September 5, 2022
The judge seems to be extending the same latitude to Trump's lawyers as one would to a pro se defendant, if not more.
— Chad Loder (@chadloder) September 5, 2022
Obviously that's a whole separate analysis in itself. Doesn't improve her competence on the bench, though. And it does clue you in, O my laypeople, as to how bad this opinion is. Seasoned lawyers are struggling to find even a justification for this. It's that bad. As far as the typical internet freakout about this ruling (it's still that bad):/9 I’d disagree with Asha that Trump didn’t ask for an injunction — he did, but only incredibly briefly and without any necessary analysis. The judge doing a party’s work for them is something you see occasionally with pro se litigants and badly represented parties, not ex-POTUS.
— EnemyOfTheHat (@Popehat) September 5, 2022
— Bad Legal Takes (@BadLegalTakes) September 5, 2022
/9 I’d disagree with Asha that Trump didn’t ask for an injunction — he did, but only incredibly briefly and without any necessary analysis. The judge doing a party’s work for them is something you see occasionally with pro se litigants and badly represented parties, not ex-POTUS.
— EnemyOfTheHat (@Popehat) September 5, 2022
This, too; while we're here./11 I understand the sentiment “everything is bullshit and there is no rule of law, just power.” I’m unlikely to sway you from that take. I’ll only remind you that’s what people said about court challenges to the election, and it didn’t play out.
— EnemyOfTheHat (@Popehat) September 5, 2022
IMHNon-Criminal Lawyer/No Expertise in Executive Privilege JurisprudenceLO, this (executive privileged) is the rock upon which this judge meets the hammer of the appellate process:Remember, this is a ruling granting a motion that even Bill Barr called "a crock of shit." https://t.co/BurnezkB6G
— George Conway🌻 (@gtconway3d) September 5, 2022
Now: for the DOJ: to appeal, or not to appeal? That is the question:This is one of the strongest critiques — that the order doesn’t address the threshold issue of how executive privilege applies against executive inquiry. https://t.co/9eZ388I82k
— EnemyOfTheHat (@Popehat) September 5, 2022
More fuel for the fire:An appeal has some risks. It could slow things down more and could result in an even worse ruling.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 5, 2022
In DOJ’s shoes, I would be tempted not to appeal and just quickly go through the Special Master process.
That would be best for the case but would set a bad precedent for DOJ.
There are always people, even lawyers, who think only the "good guys" should ever win. I've found that sentiment to prevail among prosecutors and former prosecutors. Defense attorneys and prosecutors turned defense attorneys tend to be both more sanguine and more agnostic, because it's never as simple as "yes" or "no." Yes, this is a bad decision; but how badly, actually, will it play out? And what does it actually interfere with? The DOJ will decide that, and act to protect its interests. My guess is the DOJ really doesn't like bad precedents. And there seems to be a lot in this order that, while it may not be catastrophic, is at least bad law and shouldn't be allowed to stand long (though its precedential value is practically nil until it gets to an appellate court, so there's that irony, too.) I will also point out that Popehat is not a judge, and judges have a perspective different from those of prosecutors or defense attorneys; which is the way the system is supposed to work. Still a lousy opinion, though.I don’t think the absolute freakout over this is warranted. I don’t think it’s the right outcome, equitably, but numerous elements of the written decision don’t support it being the catastrophe people are saying. But there seems to be very little point in saying so. https://t.co/9VTtpbiMB1
— EnemyOfTheHat (@Popehat) September 5, 2022
*What? My grandfather drank his coffee that way. I still remember it fondly.Although ultimately headed for slammer, John Mitchell celebrates a legal victory, 1974: pic.twitter.com/sj3fn3uUuN
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) September 5, 2022
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