We're going to bookend part of this discussion with Joe Scarbrough. It's a bit of a mess becasue some of this came in late last night, and more is coming this morning. And Scarbrough's response is interesting, to say the least:'Illegitimate’: Morning Joe unloads on Supreme Court taking away rights after being appointed by unpopular presidentshttps://t.co/vY0Fe2Ux2B
— Raw Story (@RawStory) May 3, 2022
"Well, I mean, for the Supreme Court, in a word, illegitimacy," Scarborough said. "You know, the court has always been guided by the law, but it's also been keenly aware that it is the only unelected branch of American government. They needed to not appear to be openly contemptuous of public opinion. That would be especially true today, given the GOP's might-makes-right approach to the sacking of Merrick Garland's nomination or the elevation of Donald Trump's final pick."Scarborough pointed out that four of the five justices voting with the majority had been appointed by presidents who had lost the popular vote, including one who was nominated by Trump after then-Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell refused to hold hearings for Barack Obama's last choice for nearly a year."Look at this picture from Madeleine Albright's funeral," Scarborough said, showing a photo of President Joe Biden sitting alongside Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Al Gore. "The five Democratic politicians on the front row won the most votes in the presidential elections of 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008, 2012, 2016 and 2020. Yet, a half century of constitutional rights supported by over 70 percent of Americans -- let me underline that again. People lying to you on other channels will never say this, over 70 percent of Americans support that constitutional right. It'll be swept away by the presidents not in this picture and the presidents who were outvoted in each one of those elections over the last three decades.""Now Americans will rightly conclude that their voices and their votes no longer matter," he added. "So what are the implications for the court, for the law and for American democracy?"
One of the implications, as Jeff Greenfield noted on CNN, is that the leaked draft opinion opens the door to a Federal law allowing abortions. But there are at least two discussions happening after this leak: one on the consequences of overturning Roe; and one on what the future looks like. The third should not be the story of the leak, but rather the argument presented in this draft opinion.
Alito is right in that draft: the word “abortion” doesn’t appear in the Constitution. Neither does “privacy.” Yet the Court does recognize a privacy interest in the 4th amendment which prevents governments (federal or state, via the 14th Amendment) from listening to your phone calls without a warrant. The word “telephone” doesn’t appear in the 4th amendment, but there you are. There also isn’t anything in legal history about the privacy of phone calls. But maybe since those cases are more than 50 years old, they’re sacrosanct. I guess.
Alito’s argument is “privacy I like: good! Privacy I don’t like: bad!”
Which is not really much of a legal argument.
I have no idea what the political landscape to the mid-terms looks like. But I agree with Axelrod:Lot of tension in the twin ideas I see some people holding that (1) overturning Roe will be a massive political earthquake; and (2) we somehow know exactly what the post-Roe abortion landscape will look like in the United States.
— Matt Glassman (@MattGlassman312) May 3, 2022
The people who caught the car got a lotta ‘splainin’ to do. Scarbrough asserts that 70% of the American people support abortion access. This will probably be put to the test in November:My strong suspicion is that few @GOP strategists were privately hoping for the COMPLETE reversal of Roe v. Wade by SCOTUS, which could galvanize women and, particularly, young voters who seemed inclined to sit out this fall's midterm elections.
— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) May 3, 2022
'Terrifying': GOP preparing 6-week Federal abortion ban if they win back Congresshttps://t.co/JMzipSyWkd
— Raw Story (@RawStory) May 3, 2022
"This takes us right now to the top of the show, where Jon Meacham, presidential historian Jon Meacham, talked about the real problems with the way the Supreme Court has been handled by the Republican majority over the past five, six, seven years," Scarborough said. "It is a might-makes-right approach. You actually had Republicans making up a Senate rule, a Senate custom so they wouldn't have to even give Merrick Garland a hearing. You then had, a couple years later -- that was at the end of Obama's term, so they could stop his selection. Then at the end of Trump's term, they threw that aside, further illegitimizing the process. Now they won't give Joe Biden's nominee a hearing."Scarborough said GOP actions had left Democrats with no other choice than to expand the Supreme Court, which he said had plenty of historical precedent."This is my concern, because I love the institution of the Supreme Court and what it's meant to Madisonian democracy through the years," he said. "It has been very disappointing, very deeply troubling because Republicans have so politicized this process that I fully expect Democrats, when they have the opportunity, to do what Washington did and what Adams did and what Jefferson did and what Andrew Jackson did and what Abraham Lincoln did and what Republicans did after Lincoln died, and change the size of the court. I mean, again, if precedent doesn't matter constitutionally, political precedent won't matter. They'll do what founding fathers, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson and Republicans after Lincoln's death did -- they'll just expand the size of the court."Republicans would have no standing to object, Scarborough said, because they had politicized the court and undermined its legitimacy."You see, that's where they've led us," he said. "Then at that point -- and this is something John Roberts knows, I pray to god that it's something that Brett Kavanaugh understands. At that point, when the Supreme Court loses its legitimacy, I mean, my God, Madisonian democracy is undermined, and I say this regardless of my views on this particular issue. What the Republicans have done over the past five, six, seven years regarding the Supreme Court has led us to this point.""We've seen a draft which we hear ... is most likely going to end up being the net result where the United States Supreme Court is going to overturn a constitutional right that has been in place for 50 years, supported by over 70 percent of the American people," Scarborough added. "That's not conservative, that is radical, it is dangerous. It undermines what I believe is the institution that separates this constitutional republic and this Madisonian democracy, this form of government we have, from every other government on the globe. These are troubling times."
"This unprecedented leak is concerning, outrageous and a blatant attempt to manipulate the sacred procedures of the U.S. Supreme Court. Those responsible should be held accountable. My prayer is that Roe v. Wade is overturned and that life prevails," said Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, a Republican.
But I'm not sure that's a foregone conclusion; not with the obvious relish with which Alito wrote this first draft. Alito doesn't want to just overrule Roe; he wants to dust off and nuke it from orbit. His disdain for the 1973 ruling is palpable. On the other hand, this kind of unprecedented leak could indicate the Court majority itself realizes its on shaky ground. The Alito draft is long on invective and short on legal reasoning (thought long, again, on legal bluster). It's a foregone conclusion in search of jusification. It tugs at a thread that will unravel court decisions going back to Brown (in history if not in connected legal reasoning), and there really isn't any reason for it not to. But even the fanatics (Barrett, Thomas, Gorsuch) on the Court seem to realize that's a bridge too far, that they can't do this in the full light of day. Reports are that Roberts wants to uphold the Mississippi law in question without overruling Roe. Like Holder, in other words, he wants to gut the statute but still leaven enough for the taxidermists. Following that metaphor, Alito's opinion doesn't even want to leave the bones. He wants to sow the ground with salt so nothing will ever grow there again; if he can help it. That may be the opinion of Thomas and Barrett and Gorsuch, too; but do they dare state it in broad daylight? Do they dare stand and pronounce it proudly? I don't think so. And I think that's because they know that, while they are convinced their hearts are pure and their motives noble, they also know the limits of their power. They want this to be so; but they also don't want the responsibility for making it so. Because they know it is a decision that will not be universally applauded, and in fact may be rejected, and result in consequences like expanding the Court, or even calling into question the Court's use (and abuse) of it's role as arbiter of the Constitution. They are aware, in other words, that they won't be hailed as saviors. Which may be another reason Alito's draft opinion is so belligerent. He's daring the body politic to disagree with him. But he also knows he has the last word; and, as Hamlet said, "Aye, there's the rub."Suppose you're a conservative Justice committed to overruling Roe and Casey. There were five votes for that result at Conference, and Justice Alito circulated a draft opinion memorializing it. Now, dissents are coming, and you're worried about losing the majority. What do you do?
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) May 3, 2022
Still: no. No, that’s the opinion.The opinion is "the" story. It’s the precipitant of everything else.The leak is *a* story.
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) May 3, 2022
What it portends is *the* story.
But that's hardly equivalent to releasing a full copy of a draft opinion. And there is this, too:On Sunday, December 17, 1944, the Roosevelt Administration announced that it was closing the Japanese American internment camps—exactly one day before #SCOTUS was set to close them through its decision in Ex parte Endo. It wasn't a coincidence; Justice Frankfurter tipped FDR off.
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) May 3, 2022
But can the Court release one, without acknowledging the legitimacy of the leaked document? (NPR is at pains this morning to aver they cannot verify the legitimacy of the leaked draft.) I mean, is the Court likely to go from stately silence to suddenly issuing press releases about "fake news"?13 hours later, and no denial.
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) May 3, 2022
Yeah, lotta experts in Twitter; with no expertise at all.At least he’s consistent:https://t.co/xbkpWIUZ9w pic.twitter.com/cz6TDZ3JFs
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) May 3, 2022
Exactly.As a nonmember of the Supreme Court Bar, I demand that Thomas and Alito also resign, just to make clear that we are taking this matter very seriously.
— Snarky Lawyer (@SnarkedUpLawyer) May 3, 2022
The leak is troubling, the opinion is monstrous. That puts last night in perspective. This just puts Greenfield in perspective:AFAIK, this has never happened before, and certainly not on a major case. There are always half-gossipy leaks about how the justices are talking among themselves, but an entire draft opinion? That's unprecedented, and troubling.
— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) May 3, 2022
And the opinion itself is monstrous. https://t.co/bHHkDfJ5BB
And this puts the leak in perspective:i dunno jeffrey you'd be amazed what people recover from https://t.co/9ggQIEaaI4
— andy™ (@andylevy) May 3, 2022
Meanwhile, what we need is another history lesson, one about electoral politics, not Supreme Court leaks:Mentions on Fox News/Business so far today:
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) May 3, 2022
Abortion: 40
Leak: 49
And speaking of consequences:A Republican president could nominate as many as 4 Supreme Court justices. Why that should terrify you: https://t.co/gaRy4MSDzo
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) December 22, 2015
"Particularly among poor women in the South and Midwest” is precisely my concern. And may be precisely where abortion becomes the issue of the mid-term elections.Abortion would remain legal in about half of U.S. states if Roe v. Wade was overturned, but the rest would likely ban the procedure.
— The New York Times (@nytimes) May 3, 2022
The number of abortions would probably fall, particularly among poor women in the South and Midwest. https://t.co/SRRRHYVDVe
Joint Schumer/Pelosi statement: “Every Republican Senator who supported Senator McConnell and voted for Trump Justices pretending that this day would never come will now have to explain themselves to the American people.” pic.twitter.com/YOX3Bulj9z
— Andrew Desiderio (@AndrewDesiderio) May 3, 2022
It’s not an either-or proposition, but caring a lot about the act of leaking, and not much about the substance, is a tell, no matter what the story https://t.co/b3UBHka6nR
— Devlin Barrett (@DevlinBarrett) May 3, 2022
Satire; and seriousness.Whether it’s Democrats blocking Novak Djokovic from playing in the U. S. open or Republicans reversing landmark decision Roe v Wade, it’s clear both sides have court problems.
— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) May 3, 2022
Just in: Biden says he is not sure draft is final but: "I believe that a woman’s right to choose is fundamental, Roe has been the law of the land for almost fifty years, and basic fairness and the stability of our law demand that it not be overturned."
— Ariane de Vogue (@Arianedevogue) May 3, 2022
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